The Conservative Party - Part Two.

[El Cid 214]

2 hours ago, Magilla said:

Electoral Commission up for the chop?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/tory-plan-to-scrap-election-watchdog-undermines-democracy/ar-BB18ySmJ

I think they do some really good work, not sure it posible to stop big money spending in political campaigns. But we do need to keep trying.

Will Johnson listen to anything they say though?

[ECCOnoob 1,020]

On 29/08/2020 at 20:34, altus said:

New poll shows Conservatives have lost 26% lead over Labour in 5 months. As it's an Observer, which is a Sunday paper, report rather than The Guardian, it looks like a pre-announcement before the main article tomorrow.

 

The report and polling data are now available on the Opinium site.

Coincidentally that time period is exactly the same as when the change of Labour leadership took place.

 

One cannot help but wonder what the outcome would have been if a certain stupid old codger have been ousted before the election.

 

Oh well such as life. Some people just can't be told.

[altus 538]

Have the Tories been infiltrated by the Revolutionary Communist Party? Not quite as astonishing as the title I've given that link implies:-

Today’s Tory government has adopted some of the style, rhetoric and preoccupations of a defunct radical sect, the Revolutionary Communist party (RCP).

The RCP was a tiny British party, founded in the 70s, officially disbanded in the late 90s. Despite its name, most of its stances were not communist or revolutionary but contrarian: it supported free speech for racists, and nuclear power; it attacked environmentalism and the NHS. Its most consistent impulse was to invoke an idealised working class, and claim it was actually being harmed by the supposed elites of the liberal left.

[Pettytom 1]

2 hours ago, altus said:

Have the Tories been infiltrated by the Revolutionary Communist Party? Not quite as astonishing as the title I've given that link implies:-

 

That’s a fantastic article.

 

It explains so much about the confused politics of some members of this forum.

[Anna B 1,401]

10 hours ago, ECCOnoob said:

Coincidentally that time period is exactly the same as when the change of Labour leadership took place.

 

One cannot help but wonder what the outcome would have been if a certain stupid old codger have been ousted before the election.

 

Oh well such as life. Some people just can't be told.

Jeremy Corbyn has just been voted the Best Prime Minister we neverhad.

I doubt a puppet like Starmer could get elected, and he wouldn't make any difference anyway. If he could make a difference he would be stopped. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 2, 2020 by Anna B

[ECCOnoob 1,020]

55 minutes ago, Anna B said:

Jeremy Corbyn has just been voted the Best Prime Minister we neverhad.

I doubt a puppet like Starmer could get elected, and he wouldn't make any difference anyway. If he could make a difference he would be stopped. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

By who???  A load more deluded fantasists who still have their heads burried in the sand.

 

Goodness sake what more is it going to take to drag some people back to reality.  If the worst election defeat since the 1930s doesn't get the message across what will.

 

Toxic. Incompetent. Loser.   Good riddance.  

 

The Tories now face some proper opposition from someone who isn't alienating the wider electorate, understands when and where they need to concede, properly understands the weak points and potentially has enough of the broad centrist appeal needed to actually win an election.     

[Anna B 1,401]

3 hours ago, ECCOnoob said:

By who???  A load more deluded fantasists who still have their heads burried in the sand.

 

Goodness sake what more is it going to take to drag some people back to reality.  If the worst election defeat since the 1930s doesn't get the message across what will.

 

Toxic. Incompetent. Loser.   Good riddance.  

 

The Tories now face some proper opposition from someone who isn't alienating the wider electorate, understands when and where they need to concede, properly understands the weak points and potentially has enough of the broad centrist appeal needed to actually win an election.     

 

 

Jeremy Corbyn galvanised British politics in a way no other politician has done.

If you remember, prior to his leadership people were deciding not to bother voting at all as it made no difference.  Apathy and disillusionment was everywhere. Successive polls were in the doldrums, with only around 30% voting.

However, thanks to JC  membership of the Labour party shot up, making it the biggest political party in Europe. He was adored, especially by the young who were in awe of a genuine, honest politician with principles and ideas that chimed with the way they were thinking. So were a good many other people who bothered to look beyond the headlines and learn what he was really about. He sparked an interest in politics which had been sadly lacking for a long time. 

 

Now unfortunately the apathy is back.  Few people could care less about Starmer. He lacks character and charisma, which I admit Boris has in spades. It's just a pity about Boris' incompetence, lies, and total lack of integrity. 

 

It's back to the same old same old. I haven't heard a single pledge from Starmer, nor anything of interest to get me excited about the Labour party. They're even wheeling out old timerYvette Cooper as a spokesperson for heaven's sake, is that the best they can do?

 

Without the huge  following of Corbynistas turning out in large numbers, I'm not sure greyman Starmer can even win. Who wants to turn out on a cold night  just to get more Tory Lite?

Edited September 2, 2020 by Anna B

[El Cid 214]

2 hours ago, Anna B said:

Now unfortunately the apathy is back.  Few people could care less about Starmer. He lacks character and charisma, which I admit Boris has in spades. It's just a pity about Boris' incompetence, lies, and total lack of integrity. 

It's back to the same old same old. I haven't heard a single pledge from Starmer, nor anything of interest to get me excited about the Labour party.

 

Maybe people should vote for the best policies and not a charismatic leader?

[Organgrinder 1,946]

3 hours ago, Anna B said:

 

 

Jeremy Corbyn galvanised British politics in a way no other politician has done.

If you remember, prior to his leadership people were deciding not to bother voting at all as it made no difference.  Apathy and disillusionment was everywhere. Successive polls were in the doldrums, with only around 30% voting.

However, thanks to JC  membership of the Labour party shot up, making it the biggest political party in Europe. He was adored, especially by the young who were in awe of a genuine, honest politician with principles and ideas that chimed with the way they were thinking. So were a good many other people who bothered to look beyond the headlines and learn what he was really about. He sparked an interest in politics which had been sadly lacking for a long time. 

 

Now unfortunately the apathy is back.  Few people could care less about Starmer. He lacks character and charisma, which I admit Boris has in spades. It's just a pity about Boris' incompetence, lies, and total lack of integrity. 

 

It's back to the same old same old. I haven't heard a single pledge from Starmer, nor anything of interest to get me excited about the Labour party. They're even wheeling out old timerYvette Cooper as a spokesperson for heaven's sake, is that the best they can do?

 

Without the huge  following of Corbynistas turning out in large numbers, I'm not sure greyman Starmer can even win. Who wants to turn out on a cold night  just to get more Tory Lite?

I couldn't agree more.

We now have no one worth voting for in any party

1 hour ago, El Cid said:

Maybe people should vote for the best policies and not a charismatic leader?

I haven't heard of any real policies from any of them except dodge the next bullet and hope for the best.

All they do is pull each other down instead of putting forward real alternatives.

Meanwhile the country goes down the plug hole whilst they stay on the gravy train.

[Mister M 1,608]

I see Boris Johnson has bravely and honourably refused to meet with representatives from a support group whose relatives have died from COVID-19. 

No doubt he's very busy hiding in a fridge, shagging, or playing tennis so that he can make more money for Conservative Party funds.

He's pathetic.

Edited September 2, 2020 by Mister M

[iansheff 86]

Another U Turn by our clueless Prime Minister.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/boris-johnson-branded-heartless-over-u-turn-on-meeting-with-bereaved-families/ar-BB18Cx8b?ocid=msedgntp

[sheffbag 227]

4 hours ago, Anna B said:

 

 

Jeremy Corbyn galvanised British politics in a way no other politician has done.

If you remember, prior to his leadership people were deciding not to bother voting at all as it made no difference.  Apathy and disillusionment was everywhere. Successive polls were in the doldrums, with only around 30% voting.

However, thanks to JC  membership of the Labour party shot up, making it the biggest political party in Europe. He was adored, especially by the young who were in awe of a genuine, honest politician with principles and ideas that chimed with the way they were thinking. So were a good many other people who bothered to look beyond the headlines and learn what he was really about. He sparked an interest in politics which had been sadly lacking for a long time. 

 

Now unfortunately the apathy is back.  Few people could care less about Starmer. He lacks character and charisma, which I admit Boris has in spades. It's just a pity about Boris' incompetence, lies, and total lack of integrity. 

 

It's back to the same old same old. I haven't heard a single pledge from Starmer, nor anything of interest to get me excited about the Labour party. They're even wheeling out old timerYvette Cooper as a spokesperson for heaven's sake, is that the best they can do?

 

Without the huge  following of Corbynistas turning out in large numbers, I'm not sure greyman Starmer can even win. Who wants to turn out on a cold night  just to get more Tory Lite?

Give it up Anna. He's gone back to the abyss of the backbench, but since you posted..........

 

First bold - Where were they on voting day (either of them, especially the second one where they got decimated)

Second bold - So much in awe that they couldn't find a polling booth or they had seen through him by 2019

Third bold - Opinion polls would suggest different considering Labour are now nearly level to the Tories rather than 26 points behind under JC

Fourth bold - Go vote socialist party then. 

Fifth bold  - They arent Corbynistas, they are Labour party members. There is no Corbyn party. Its Labour. Whether people choose to vote Labour or not is their decision. And lets face it, based on the previous "huge following of "Corbynistas turning out" it wouldn't make that much difference. Certainly didn't make a difference last year

 

I thought this was the Tory thread anyway

Edited September 2, 2020 by sheffbag