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1 hour ago, apelike said:

Turning it off is one way to have no tracking at all but triangulation tracking is not very accurate and can only give an approximate location which and useless for tracking a persons movements precisely.

No, but you are still tracked...

1 hour ago, apelike said:

 

Which the author states has its limitations, is just a theory and needs more data and time to test the hypothesis. 

Once again, you shoot yourself in your foot - In scientific reasoning, a hypothesis is an assumption made before any research has been completed for the sake of testing. A theory on the other hand is a principle set to explain phenomena already supported by data. So you agree it is a theory which is already supported by the data... good now we can move forwards.

1 hour ago, apelike said:

 

Strange as that's what I put as well... :)

No, you said everyone should wear a surgical mask - I said everyone should wear a mask (ideally a surgical one, but any mask is better than no mask)... a subtle difference which you obviously did not see.

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3 hours ago, apelike said:

Its not a very well written article.

 

 

 

Well obvs.  It's in the Telegraph.  Point remains, though, that mask wearing may well be providing a level of immunity that wouldn't otherwise occur.

1 hour ago, apelike said:

 

 

Which the author states has its limitations, is just a theory and needs more data and time to test the hypothesis. 

 

 

Which is exactly how science works.  

1 hour ago, apelike said:

 

 

Which the author states has its limitations, is just a theory and needs more data and time to test the hypothesis. 

 

 

Actually ... Is it a theory or is it a hypothesis?  I assume a person of your obvious knowledge and experience knows the difference.

 

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There is always going to be uncertainty-amongst the public- surrounding the benefit of wearing masks,surgical grade or not.

Uncertainty arises from imperfect information.And as demonstrated on the Forum. There's no perfect information to refer to that will expunge the uncertainty.

So out of all the imperfect information circulating ,I will choose....

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 but any mask is better than no mask)

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3 hours ago, apelike said:

In the UK the percentage of those over 16 that don't have a mobile phone now is very low at around 3%.

I think you're getting mixed up with households owning mobiles (95%)

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/289167/mobile-phone-penetration-in-the-uk/#:~:text=Currently%2C approximately 95 percent of,reported owning a mobile telephone.

 

Still large numbers of over 55's who do don't own a mobile.

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/271851/smartphone-owners-in-the-united-kingdom-uk-by-age/

 

Not keen on the token idea myself though.

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1 hour ago, Litotes said:

No, but you are still tracked...

So being anywhere in an area of around 200-300 sq metres is being tracked... interesting.

 

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Once again, you shoot yourself in your foot - In scientific reasoning, a hypothesis is an assumption made before any research has been completed for the sake of testing. A theory on the other hand is a principle set to explain phenomena already supported by data. So you agree it is a theory which is already supported by the data... good now we can move forwards.

No I agree with the author of the article who states its a hypothesis and the doctor who states its a theory.  Now you know what I meant by not well written.

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No, you said everyone should wear a surgical mask - I said everyone should wear a mask (ideally a surgical one, but any mask is better than no mask)... a subtle difference which you obviously did not see.

Being pedantic to try win an argument is a bit sad.

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1 hour ago, Lockjaw said:

 

Well obvs.  It's in the Telegraph.  Point remains, though, that mask wearing may well be providing a level of immunity that wouldn't otherwise occur.

Yes it may well do that, with the emphasis on may well so its not a certainty then... :)

 

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Which is exactly how science works.  

I agree and have not argued otherwise.

 

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Actually ... Is it a theory or is it a hypothesis?  I assume a person of your obvious knowledge and experience knows the difference.

I refer to your first sentence about my saying it was not well written. Both terms were mentioned in the article so perhaps you should ask the author of it instead of me.

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21 minutes ago, apelike said:

Yes it may well do that, with the emphasis on may well so its not a certainty then... :)

 

I agree and have not argued otherwise.

 

I refer to your first sentence about my saying it was not well written. Both terms were mentioned in the article so perhaps you should ask the author of it instead of me.

Being pedantic to try win an argument is a bit sad.

But just because you are a pedant, doesn't mean your argument doesn't have some validity...

The difference is in the detail - and in a case of a pandemic, that can be a difference of life and death.

 

But, hey - you are willing to throw lives away about details...

29 minutes ago, apelike said:

So being anywhere in an area of around 200-300 sq metres is being tracked... interesting.

So to what precision is being tracked in your opinion?

1cm, 1m, 10m, 100m, 200m?

 

I am sure the government would like to know what you consider is allowable...

 

Please do let us know.

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1 hour ago, Longcol said:

I think you're getting mixed up with households owning mobiles (95%)

No the stats are from the ONS but I cant link them as it just goes to a pdf download.

 

Ofcom estimated that 3% of the UK3 adult population did not own a mobile phone. In particular in UK a total of 78.5 million mobile phone subscriptions have been registered at end 2014.

 

Given the date I would assume that the percentage is now lower.

 

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Cant view that as it asks to register. 

 

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As above. ONS data states around 3% 55-64 going up to around 10% 65-74.

 

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Not keen on the token idea myself though.

Another idea that wont work unless compulsory.

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12 minutes ago, apelike said:

No the stats are from the ONS but I cant link them as it just goes to a pdf download.

 

 

Presumably you can provide a link to the pdf download?

 

Another link showing UK mobile ownership by adults a good deal less than 97%.

 

https://www.finder.com/uk/mobile-internet-statistics#:~:text=In 2019%2C 79% of UK,is spent on social media.

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6 hours ago, apelike said:

In the UK the percentage of those over 16 that don't have a mobile phone now is very low at around 3%.

That’s really not true.

 

According to Statista, 4% of households don’t have a mobile at all. 20% of households only have one phone.

 

So, a conservative estimate would give mobile ownership at no more than 90%. Some of those won’t be smartphones.

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/387184/number-of-mobile-phones-per-household-in-the-uk/

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5 hours ago, Longcol said:

Presumably you can provide a link to the pdf download?

I can supply this which is a link to the pdf download where I got the data from. 

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+percentage+of+the+uk+dont+have+a+mobile+phone&rlz=1C1CHBD_en-GBGB919GB919&oq=what+percentage+of+the+uk+dont+have+a+mobile+phone&aqs=chrome..69i57j33.23567j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

As stated it is from 2014.

 

5 hours ago, Longcol said:

Another link showing UK mobile ownership by adults a good deal less than 97%.

 

https://www.finder.com/uk/mobile-internet-statistics#:~:text=In 2019%2C 79% of UK,is spent on social media.

I think you will find that that link is mainly about mobile internet usage on a mobile phone by age group, not by ownership and not general mobile phone use. Although it does state that around 79% on UK adults own a smart phone it seems to vary on who is doing the survey. Many older people like me do not have or use a data package that allows them to surf the net away from home and use the phone mainly as a phone. 

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4 hours ago, Pettytom said:

That’s really not true.

I'm quoting the ONS.

 

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According to Statista, 4% of households don’t have a mobile at all. 20% of households only have one phone.

Also according to Statistica...  "Currently, approximately 95 percent of households in the United Kingdom (UK) own a mobile phone" (2018) Yet it also states that in 2017, there were 79.17 million mobile subscriptions in the UK, across the entire population of 66.04 million inhabitants. Not much difference to the ONS data of 78.5 million. So it seems there are more mobile phones about than people by the looks of it.

 

 

 

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