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Just now, onewheeldave said:

There's loads, I'm just not good at remembering contingent facts like names. However someone's just posted a link about Sweden- Anders Tegnell was basically the person behind Sweden's strategy, he clearly disagreed with aspects of the lockdown- he's a chief epidemiologist.

 

 

Sweden's strategy gave them a much higher death rate than neighbouring countries and you're citing him as an expert????

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Just now, Longcol said:

Sweden's strategy gave them a much higher death rate than neighbouring countries and you're citing him as an expert????

He is a chief epidemiologist.

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Done yourself there.

He is  chief epidemiologist for the gov.

The previous one ,said they likely got it wrong maybe about April from memory

 

In June,on review,   he also agreed they should have locked down harder

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5 minutes ago, Longcol said:

Again, that's not saying that 25% of the population are especially vulnerable to covid- it's saying that "We estimated that 1·7 billion (UI 1·0–2·4) people, comprising 22% (UI 15–28) of the global population, have at least one underlying condition that puts them at increased risk of severe COVID-19 if infected (ranging from <5% of those younger than 20 years to >66% of those aged 70 years or older). "

 

When it says "We estimated that 349 million (186–787) people (4% [3–9] of the global population) are at high risk of severe COVID-19 and would require hospital admission if infected (ranging from <1% of those younger than 20 years to approximately 20% of those aged 70 years or older)."

 that is referring to the vulnerable- note they make up 4%, not 25%.

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Longcol said:

And the outcome of his advice has given Sweden a much higher death rate than neighbouring countries.

 

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2251615-is-swedens-coronavirus-strategy-a-cautionary-tale-or-a-success-story/

You wanted names of scientists/experts who disagree/d with some aspects of lockdown- there are many, he is one of them.

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46 minutes ago, onewheeldave said:

Again, that's not saying that 25% of the population are especially vulnerable to covid- it's saying that "We estimated that 1·7 billion (UI 1·0–2·4) people, comprising 22% (UI 15–28) of the global population, have at least one underlying condition that puts them at increased risk of severe COVID-19 if infected (ranging from <5% of those younger than 20 years to >66% of those aged 70 years or older). "

 

When it says "We estimated that 349 million (186–787) people (4% [3–9] of the global population) are at high risk of severe COVID-19 and would require hospital admission if infected (ranging from <1% of those younger than 20 years to approximately 20% of those aged 70 years or older)."

 that is referring to the vulnerable- note they make up 4%, not 25%.

So it's only people being hospitalised who are "vulnerable"?

 

What is the difference between "increased risk of severe covid 19 if infected" and "vulnerable"?

46 minutes ago, onewheeldave said:

You wanted names of scientists/experts who disagree/d with some aspects of lockdown- there are many, he is one of them.

And his advice appears to have been wanting given Swedens high mortality rate compared to neighbours.

 

Links to any others?

 

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16 hours ago, onewheeldave said:

No. They are filters, a consequence of evolution, finely tuned to a balance between filtering out potentially harmful substances, without going so far that it affects the organisms health adversely.

 

Crucially, they are very different from sheets of fabric- if sheets of fabric were optimal, then we would have evolved to have something similar to sheets of fabric covering our mouths and noses- we don't, hence, they aren't [optimal].

 

Dave, you seem to be ascribing some level of perfection to the process of evolution which just isn't there. 

 

If evolution was perfect we wouldn't, for instance have the entrance to our digestive tract right next to our the entrance to our respiratory system.  That's just asking for trouble.

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10 minutes ago, Lockjaw said:

Dave, you seem to be ascribing some level of perfection to the process of evolution which just isn't there. 

 

If evolution was perfect we wouldn't, for instance have the entrance to our digestive tract right next to our the entrance to our respiratory system.  That's just asking for trouble.

Evolution does pretty well IMO.

 

I suspect that, when all relevant factors are taken into account, the positions of our mouth and nose are pretty much optimal. 

 

Where would you place them?

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42 minutes ago, Lockjaw said:

Dave, you seem to be ascribing some level of perfection to the process of evolution which just isn't there. 

 

If evolution was perfect we wouldn't, for instance have the entrance to our digestive tract right next to our the entrance to our respiratory system.  That's just asking for trouble.

I bet he wears shoes though. And a coat when it’s cold despite us living in a fairly temperate country.

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1 hour ago, whiteowl said:

There has been some concern about when (if!) we get a contact tracing app, people without smart phones being excluded. Singapore seems to have come up with a potential solution to this with a Covid tracing token :

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-54206824

Which keeps a precise record of your whereabouts. Cant see that being very popular over here!

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44 minutes ago, onewheeldave said:

Evolution does pretty well IMO.

 

I suspect that, when all relevant factors are taken into account, the positions of our mouth and nose are pretty much optimal. 

 

Where would you place them?

Ha ha!  I knew you'd ask that.  I don't know, I'm neither evolution or a deity.  I was merely, and pretty effectively, pointing out the fallacy in your suggestion that evolution gets everything "right".

 

Now then, here's an interesting unforseen consequence of wearing face masks:

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/face-masks-could-giving-people-covid-19-immunity-researchers/?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB

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