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4 minutes ago, Fudbeer said:

Absolute snake and I don't think anyone takes him seriously.

Except that the parliamentary select committees can check some of the statements he has made because (a) they are statements of fact rather than opinion and (b) they may be checkable. Thus some of what he says may be helpful without having to rely on his 'integrity' or accept his self-serving statements.

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From what he has been saying this afternoon he probably had a very good reason for getting out of London tbf.

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1 hour ago, Fudbeer said:

Could not agree more.

 

This is the same man who thought it was acceptable to break the lockdown rules so spectacularly during lockdown and was defended by Boris!

 

Maybe he thought the rules only apply to the "little people"

 

Absolute snake and I don't think anyone takes him seriously.

He is a hardcore brexiteer and I suspect voters in places like Hartlepool will take notice of what he says - his accusations will gain traction, where Labours could not, because he is one of their beloved "true believers" in brexit.

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1 hour ago, Fudbeer said:

Could not agree more.

 

This is the same man who thought it was acceptable to break the lockdown rules so spectacularly during lockdown and was defended by Boris!

 

Maybe he thought the rules only apply to the "little people"

 

Absolute snake and I don't think anyone takes him seriously.

He's got the receipts for alot of what he's saying - we should take him seriously. We won't though because Boris is a laugh.

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6 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

He's got the receipts for alot of what he's saying - we should take him seriously. We won't though because Boris is a laugh.

I think it is really about the news media. In the end most of the media were prepared to label Trump statements as 'lies' even before they had checked them. That was in my view a step too far but it took a long time for them to realise that they did not have to take seriously what the US president said because of his established lack of credibility.

 

I think we have something similar in this country. At some point enough evidence will have accumulated that the news media will finally acknowledge this government is prepared to make false statements, that the media need to check everything they say, not give them the benefit of the doubt and put anything they can not check inside quotation marks because it can not be relied on to be true.

 

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... oh and I do wonder whether vaccine hesitancy has been enhanced because people perceive government (and media) advice to be unreliable due to a lack of government integrity.

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Families who lost loved ones to this virus have an right to know if this government is guilty of negligence in it's handling of the pandemic. Cummings has some of the answers yes he's arrogant but people need to know what really happened in number ten so many questions need answering. 

5 minutes ago, Carbuncle said:

... oh and I do wonder whether vaccine hesitancy has been enhanced because people perceive government (and media) advice to be unreliable due to a lack of government integrity.

The vaccines were produced very fast plus news reports on blood clots and strokes have lead to some hesitancy plus the government sending out mixed signals. 

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13 minutes ago, GabrielC said:

The vaccines were produced very fast plus news reports on blood clots and strokes have lead to some hesitancy plus the government sending out mixed signals. 

Yes ... but also the government and the media were quite slow on the blood clots story even though Britain should have had the best data because of how many Britons had had the AZ vaccine. I find it more reassuring when the authorities rush to get bad news out there rather than start off with a 'nothing to see here' and only release bad news when they are forced too. It is more reassuring because it shows candour.

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It will all be forgotten very quickly imo.

 

Whats important is what Boris did not what he may have discussed in private. conversations where we don’t know the full transcript of what was said could easily be taken out context.

To me a private conversation with your boss should remain that way private.

 

 

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27 minutes ago, Carbuncle said:

Yes ... but also the government and the media were quite slow on the blood clots story even though Britain should have had the best data because of how many Britons had had the AZ vaccine. I find it more reassuring when the authorities rush to get bad news out there rather than start off with a 'nothing to see here' and only release bad news when they are forced too. It is more reassuring because it shows candour.

That is spot on! More damage is done in the longer term through lost trust when this happens. Treating adults like children is not the way to do things!

I think it’s quite possible the full reopening scheduled for 21 June may have to delayed due to variants and increasing cases (definitely not a certainty but not completely unlikely either) But recent spin says otherwise.  

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1 hour ago, Fudbeer said:

It will all be forgotten very quickly imo.

 

Whats important is what Boris did not what he may have discussed in private. conversations where we don’t know the full transcript of what was said could easily be taken out context.

To me a private conversation with your boss should remain that way private.

 

 

So no government transparency or accountability at all then?

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10 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

So no government transparency or accountability at all then?

They should be held accountable for their policies not what was discussed in private.

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