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13 hours ago, makapaka said:

India had 50000 people at cricket matches a couple of months ago - with no real vaccination effort and no social distancing / incomparable. 
 

need to stop counting cases because unless we’re being lied to the link between cases and hospitalisations has been broken.

 

the treatment of young people and their willingness to go along with it is the most heroic thing of the whole pandemic - and they’re cast aside for media opportunities with “heroic” elders.

 

needs to change and fast.

Couldn't agree more. Young people have been ignored during this crisis, students and workers alike, whilst some of the most important things and  times in their life are denied to them.

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21 hours ago, sibon said:

What is it that you want then?

 

50000 at cricket matches, or restrictions?

 

 

I think I understand why you asked this now - but tell me if I’m wrong.

 

when I said it “needs to change and fast” I meant prioritising the needs and feelings  of young people.

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5 minutes ago, makapaka said:

I think I understand why you asked this now - but tell me if I’m wrong.

 

when I said it “needs to change and fast” I meant prioritising the needs and feelings  of young people.

I don’t disagree with that at all. The younger generation have been amazing in their adherence to the restrictions. They are also the ones who will ultimately get the bill for all of this. They do deserve priority. For example, someone needs to figure out how we fix the holes  in their education.

 

I was trying to say that we can’t just go from where we are now, to no restrictions in one move. We do need to be analytical. Take a few more weeks and keep testing and monitoring.

 

Hopefully, we can all have a better summer, young and old. And hopefully we’ll quickly find ways to let everyone do the things they love. I just don’t want to see it all go wrong again.

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9 hours ago, sibon said:

They do deserve priority. For example, someone needs to figure out how we fix the holes  in their education.

That's easy enough to do - extra lessons/training.

 

9 hours ago, makapaka said:

 

when I said it “needs to change and fast” I meant prioritising the needs and feelings  of young people.

You make them sound like a separate species...

 

What do they need which older people don't? and what haven't they had which older people have had?

 

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7 minutes ago, andyofborg said:

That's easy enough to do - extra lessons/training.

 

 

It’s only “easy” if you don’t think about it hard enough. 
 

For example, when would these extra lessons happen? Who would deliver them? Where would they happen?

 

It’s a problem that will need plenty of planning and creativity.

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1 hour ago, andyofborg said:

That's easy enough to do - extra lessons/training.

 

You make them sound like a separate species...

 

What do they need which older people don't? and what haven't they had which older people have had?

 

In terms of schooling I’ll give you a quick personal scenario but this would apply to all school children in some way;

 

my daughter started secondary school in sep 19 - a big thing for any kid. In mar 20 she wasn’t allowed into school and didn’t return until sep 20.

 

after returning in sep 20 now as a second year - after 3months later she wasn’t allowed into school for a futher 4 months - returning in April 21 - straight into a 2 week Easter holiday and then a 2 week enforced isolation period.

 

In 2 months time she will finish for the year and return as a third year in September. 
 

how do you propose she and others makes up that lost time - both educationally and socially? With extra lessons?

 

what about students who have paid thousands to pursue a degree away from Home and the lost experiences there?

 

Some more reading for you found in seconds - there are reams of similar stuff to look at if your interested;
 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-54005156.amp

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1 hour ago, makapaka said:

In terms of schooling I’ll give you a quick personal scenario but this would apply to all school children in some way;

 

my daughter started secondary school in sep 19 - a big thing for any kid. In mar 20 she wasn’t allowed into school and didn’t return until sep 20.

 

after returning in sep 20 now as a second year - after 3months later she wasn’t allowed into school for a futher 4 months - returning in April 21 - straight into a 2 week Easter holiday and then a 2 week enforced isolation period.

 

In 2 months time she will finish for the year and return as a third year in September. 
 

how do you propose she and others makes up that lost time - both educationally and socially? With extra lessons?

 

what about students who have paid thousands to pursue a degree away from Home and the lost experiences there?

 

Some more reading for you found in seconds - there are reams of similar stuff to look at if your interested;
 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-54005156.amp

It’s a real problem and not one that can be easily fixed. I’ve had a lifetime in Sheffield schools at a variety of levels. I’ve no idea how we are going to fix this.

 

I hope we see more choice in education as part of the solution. Abandoning the one size fits all approach would help youngsters to follow their interests at an appropriate level of depth.

 

 

I’m not holding my breath though. I’ve seen first hand the lack of ingenuity in our educational leaders. 


In the meantime, I wish you well with your kids. Look after them, nurture their curiosity and don’t let them get stressed by a situation that isn’t of their making. 

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15 hours ago, andyofborg said:

That's easy enough to do - extra lessons/training.

 

You make them sound like a separate species...

 

What do they need which older people don't? and what haven't they had which older people have had?

 

Why is that relevant? Young have missed out on so much and have been ignored, regardless of whether older people have or haven't.

 

They have lost their jobs at a point in their careers where it will make a difference, they have been denied access to huge parts of the University experience but had no recompense for it.

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On 04/05/2021 at 21:55, sibon said:

I don’t disagree with that at all. The younger generation have been amazing in their adherence to the restrictions. They are also the ones who will ultimately get the bill for all of this. They do deserve priority. For example, someone needs to figure out how we fix the holes  in their education.

 

I was trying to say that we can’t just go from where we are now, to no restrictions in one move. We do need to be analytical. Take a few more weeks and keep testing and monitoring.

 

Hopefully, we can all have a better summer, young and old. And hopefully we’ll quickly find ways to let everyone do the things they love. I just don’t want to see it all go wrong again.

Yes, I couldn’t agree more about caution with releasing restrictions.  After the length of time this has gone on, why take risks opening up just a few weeks too early rather holding out a bit longer. This article explains why..
 

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/chile-covid-vaccine-success-holidays-uk-travel-restrictions-985916
 

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8 hours ago, Bargepole23 said:

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Why is that relevant? Young have missed out on so much and have been ignored, regardless of whether older people have or haven't.

Apart from education, what have they actually missed out on? Have they really been ignored anymore than any other arbitrary of people?

8 hours ago, Bargepole23 said:

They have lost their jobs at a point in their careers where it will make a difference, they have been denied access to huge parts of the University experience but had no recompense for it.

Education across all levels doesn't seem to have been handled well. It could and should have been done better. 

 

We should certainly have taken the opportunity to create a permanent distant learning resource for all levels of education which could have been kept on after this pandemic not only to be ready for the next one but also a revision aid, support for home schooled children. a resource for teachers, part of a national training/retraining effort. 

 

Other than actually learning, what part of the University experience have students been denied? 

 

Older people have also lost jobs, young people at least have the opportunity to make up what's been lost. At the best of times older workers struggle to get new jobs, this is not the best of times and they don't have much time left. 

 

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4 hours ago, andyofborg said:

Apart from education, what have they actually missed out on? Have they really been ignored anymore than any other arbitrary of people?

Education across all levels doesn't seem to have been handled well. It could and should have been done better. 

 

We should certainly have taken the opportunity to create a permanent distant learning resource for all levels of education which could have been kept on after this pandemic not only to be ready for the next one but also a revision aid, support for home schooled children. a resource for teachers, part of a national training/retraining effort. 

 

Other than actually learning, what part of the University experience have students been denied? 

 

Older people have also lost jobs, young people at least have the opportunity to make up what's been lost. At the best of times older workers struggle to get new jobs, this is not the best of times and they don't have much time left. 

 

All of it. Meeting new people and doing new things. They have been given online lectures, sometimes prerecorded, and nothing else. No practical work, no lab work, no group work.

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On 06/05/2021 at 08:36, andyofborg said:

Apart from education, what have they actually missed out on? Have they really been ignored anymore than any other arbitrary of people?

Education across all levels doesn't seem to have been handled well. It could and should have been done better. 

 

We should certainly have taken the opportunity to create a permanent distant learning resource for all levels of education which could have been kept on after this pandemic not only to be ready for the next one but also a revision aid, support for home schooled children. a resource for teachers, part of a national training/retraining effort. 

 

Other than actually learning, what part of the University experience have students been denied? 

 

Older people have also lost jobs, young people at least have the opportunity to make up what's been lost. At the best of times older workers struggle to get new jobs, this is not the best of times and they don't have much time left. 

 

Building on the Open University?

On 06/05/2021 at 12:57, Bargepole23 said:

All of it. Meeting new people and doing new things. They have been given online lectures, sometimes prerecorded, and nothing else. No practical work, no lab work, no group work.

That's how the Open University works.

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