Coronavirus - Part Two.

[Mister M 1,625]

1 minute ago, hackey lad said:

What is right? The outcome that you are happy with?

The purpose of a public inquiry is for the authorities to learn lessons of what went wrong, and what went right; so that God forbid, should we have another pandemic, future Governments will have the results of the inquiry to refer back to.

[tinfoilhat 11]

2 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

What is right? The outcome that you are happy with?

The right outcome. Doesn't matter whether I'm happy with it or not somebody in charge must feel the previous enquiry wasn't good enough. 

[hackey lad 3,976]

12 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

The right outcome. Doesn't matter whether I'm happy with it or not somebody in charge must feel the previous enquiry wasn't good enough. 

 I agree with you , so lets see the outcome of the enquiry first .

[*_ash_* 88]

8 minutes ago, Mister M said:

The purpose of a public inquiry is for the authorities to learn lessons of what went wrong, and what went right; so that God forbid, should we have another pandemic, future Governments will have the results of the inquiry to refer back to.

People will focus on what went wrong, and go down the path of anti-government. 

It'll just be a political fight about who paid who what, when really, almost no countries dealt with it well - which realistically was bound to happen (we know now with hindsight).

Only countries who have experienced it before knew the risks. It barely made the news in the first few weeks, and if after a few cases Britain had said, "right there are a few thousand cases of pnuemonia on the other side of the world"...  Brits, would all go home and stay quiet for 3 months? 

 

It will say,

10,000 lives could have been saved if x wasn't done 7 days earlier

23,000 """"""

127,000 """"

 

Now we've all experienced a pandemic, the main thing that we ALL will learn, is next time a new virus emerges... take it seriously!

 

Really, we have got off quite lightly as a world. If this virus had a high contigaious as it was, and much higher death rate... the whole world would be in complete chaos now.

 

[RollingJ 2,040]

@*_ash_*Well said, sir. Standby for the flack.

[hackey lad 3,976]

17 minutes ago, *_ash_* said:

People will focus on what went wrong, and go down the path of anti-government. 

It'll just be a political fight about who paid who what, when really, almost no countries dealt with it well - which realistically was bound to happen (we know now with hindsight).

Only countries who have experienced it before knew the risks. It barely made the news in the first few weeks, and if after a few cases Britain had said, "right there are a few thousand cases of pnuemonia on the other side of the world"...  Brits, would all go home and stay quiet for 3 months? 

 

It will say,

10,000 lives could have been saved if x wasn't done 7 days earlier

23,000 """"""

127,000 """"

 

Now we've all experienced a pandemic, the main thing that we ALL will learn, is next time a new virus emerges... take it seriously!

 

Really, we have got off quite lightly as a world. If this virus had a high contigaious as it was, and much higher death rate... the whole world would be in complete chaos now.

 

Your first sentence says it all . Its already happening and we havent even had the enquiry .

[tinfoilhat 11]

24 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

 I agree with you , so lets see the outcome of the enquiry first .

Can you think of one any government got right first time, or do you think this will be it?

2 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

Your first sentence says it all . Its already happening and we havent even had the enquiry .

Would there be much point in criticising the opposition? 

[tinfoilhat 11]

25 minutes ago, *_ash_* said:

People will focus on what went wrong, and go down the path of anti-government. 

It'll just be a political fight about who paid who what, when really, almost no countries dealt with it well - which realistically was bound to happen (we know now with hindsight).

Only countries who have experienced it before knew the risks. It barely made the news in the first few weeks, and if after a few cases Britain had said, "right there are a few thousand cases of pnuemonia on the other side of the world"...  Brits, would all go home and stay quiet for 3 months? 

 

It will say,

10,000 lives could have been saved if x wasn't done 7 days earlier

23,000 """"""

127,000 """"

 

Now we've all experienced a pandemic, the main thing that we ALL will learn, is next time a new virus emerges... take it seriously!

 

Really, we have got off quite lightly as a world. If this virus had a high contigaious as it was, and much higher death rate... the whole world would be in complete chaos now.

 

But it wasnt a case of few cases of pneumonia on the other side of the world, it was tens of thousands in Western Europe and we waved them in to watch the football. Let's not change what happened, they'll be plenty to do that.

[Mister M 1,625]

33 minutes ago, *_ash_* said:

People will focus on what went wrong, and go down the path of anti-government. 

It'll just be a political fight about who paid who what, when really, almost no countries dealt with it well - which realistically was bound to happen (we know now with hindsight).

Only countries who have experienced it before knew the risks. It barely made the news in the first few weeks, and if after a few cases Britain had said, "right there are a few thousand cases of pnuemonia on the other side of the world"...  Brits, would all go home and stay quiet for 3 months? 

 

It will say,

10,000 lives could have been saved if x wasn't done 7 days earlier

23,000 """"""

127,000 """"

 

Now we've all experienced a pandemic, the main thing that we ALL will learn, is next time a new virus emerges... take it seriously!

 

Really, we have got off quite lightly as a world. If this virus had a high contigaious as it was, and much higher death rate... the whole world would be in complete chaos now.

 

So if it were the case that 'People will focus on what went wrong, and go down the path of anti-government', why has the Government committed to a public inquiry in the first place?

It could well be that the next pandemic doesn't occur for another 100 years, by which time memories of 2020/21 will have been long forgotten. Thus the need for an authoritative document as an aide memoir for future generations. 

And if people do 'go down the path of anti government', well all Governments are subject to scrutiny, especially when it comes to public policy. Unless you're suggesting we model ourselves on North Korea.

You seem dismissive of what it will say, how many lives could have been saved etc etc. I was listening to a member of the Covid support group, relatives of the deceased who came together after their loved ones died, on the radio today. Many were heartbroken about what happened; but pleased that at least someone in authority will be listening to them. I'm not so blase about the importance of that.

Edited May 12, 2021 by Mister M

[hackey lad 3,976]

11 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

Can you think of one any government got right first time, or do you think this will be it?

Would there be much point in criticising the opposition? 

Probably not because one way or another someone will say its not the right outcome and demand another enquiry and another one until they get the answer that pleases them .

[Fudbeer 12]

Everyone knows mistakes were made its a great thing hindsight.

 

You could almost see Keir salivating at the opportunity to use it against the government in the commons today.

 

All thats needed is to collate what we have learned from the NHS, scientists and other countries so whoever is in charge will be able to deal with possible  future pandemics more effectively.Much quicker, cheaper and more beneficial than going over emails,texts, statements about decisions that were taken particularly early on which we already now know were wrong.The government has all but said as much.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 12, 2021 by Fudbeer

[tinfoilhat 11]

Just now, Fudbeer said:

Everyone knows mistakes were made its a great thing hindsight.

 

You could almost see Kier salivating at the opportunity to use it against the government in the commons today.

 

All thats needed is to collate what we have learned from the NHS, scientists and other countries so whoever is in charge will be able to deal with possible  future pandemics more effectively.Much quicker, cheaper and more beneficial than going over emails,texts, statements about decisions that were taken particularly early on which we already now know were wrong.The government has all but said as much.

 

 

 

 

But unless its documented properly it won't go in the report. Things like the government didn't decide to stop football supporters into grounds, the Premier league and the FA  did. The Premier league! Arenas were full! This isnt captain hindsight, this was scientists saying it loud and clear at the time, and were ignored. That cannot be filed under "we'll leave that out, its cheaper" and the government has all but said as much now, that's a tune that will change when responsibility is dished out.