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15 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

But track and trace is far more than just an app.

 

Many Far Eastern countries carry it out very efficiently, without an app.

That may be so but I think you will find that those very countries where track and trace may work are also mainly countries without much in the way of human rights where it is compulsory to comply. As halibut has already pointed out it's not happening much in pubs. As said, it need to be compulsory to work just like wearing a face mask when shopping now is.

 

Would you be happy for this government to pay 2.5 million to 3.5 million euros per month to operate just an app like the one in Germany where less than 50% of the population have downloaded it?

 

7 minutes ago, Longcol said:

There has hardly been any uptake of the French app - it hasn't stopped them coming down like a ton of bricks on new outbreaks in this region of France (Nouvelle Aquitaine / South West).

Precisely, just because something is possible due to modern technology does not mean it should happen. 

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11 minutes ago, Longcol said:

There has hardly been any uptake of the French app - it hasn't stopped them coming down like a ton of bricks on new outbreaks in this region of France (Nouvelle Aquitaine / South West).

The Far Eastern nations do it by interviews, reviewing CCTV and phone records. All a bit intrusive, but if it saves lives I guess that’s acceptable.
 

I imagine that Les Francais do things slightly differently, and with bigger guns😃

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12 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

The Far Eastern nations do it by interviews, reviewing CCTV and phone records. All a bit intrusive, but if it saves lives I guess that’s acceptable.

 

I imagine that Les Francais do things slightly differently, and with bigger guns😃

Have only lived out here for two years but it's interesting that being a citizen comes with a great emphasis on both rights and responsibilities.

 

And yes - rights are protected - and responsibilities enforced - by "bigger guns".

 

Track / trace far more devolved than in the UK using much more local knowledge.

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17 hours ago, Baron99 said:

Look at this lot in a Lincolnshire pub last Saturday. 

 

https://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/pub-landlord-responds-after-photo-4371548

 

And the landlord will have all their personal contact details of course, won't he? 

and now others who read this may be reluctant to report such transgressions. Seems the person who flagged this up has received a lot of abusive comments from "supporters of the pub".

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35 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

We're number 1!

 

BBC News - Coronavirus: England highest level of excess deaths
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53592881

We're are more likely to be number 1 in the accurate truthful recording of death statistics in Europe than having the highest  excess of death rate in Europe between the end of February and the middle of June this year. 

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9 minutes ago, West 77 said:

We're are more likely to be number 1 in the accurate truthful recording of death statistics in Europe than having the highest  excess of death rate in Europe between the end of February and the middle of June this year. 

Ah. British exceptionalism.

 

It really is time that we lost the superiority complex.

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34 minutes ago, West 77 said:

We're are more likely to be number 1 in the accurate truthful recording of death statistics in Europe than having the highest  excess of death rate in Europe between the end of February and the middle of June this year. 

So the Europeans are lying but th magnificent English - led by a proven, repeated liar, are telling the truth.

 

Right.

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1 hour ago, West 77 said:

We're are more likely to be number 1 in the accurate truthful recording of death statistics in Europe than having the highest  excess of death rate in Europe between the end of February and the middle of June this year. 

Explain your working on that one.

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3 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

So the Europeans are lying but th magnificent English - led by a proven, repeated liar, are telling the truth.

 

Right.

The ONS is not a ministerial department which means whoever is in Government is told the same information. I trust the English and British organisations more than the Europeans.

 

3 hours ago, Arnold_Lane said:

Explain your working on that one.

I'm not anti English or anti British which is why I believe the statistics and information released by the ONS to be accurate and truthful. Why should I believe information and statistics provided by non English and non British organisations and other countries to be  more accurate and truthful than what the ONS tells us? 

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6 minutes ago, West 77 said:

The ONS is not a ministerial department which means whoever is in Government is told the same information. I trust the English and British organisations more than the Europeans.

 

I'm not anti English or anti British which is why I believe the statistics and information released by the ONS to be accurate and truthful. Why should I believe information and statistics provided by non English and non British organisations and other countries to be  more accurate and truthful than what the ONS tells us? 

Who said you are anti-English?  
 

Do you think the Europeans will fudge their numbers?  Is that because you are anti-European?  Do you think European citizens trust their equivalent of their ONS figures?

 

Your post makes no sense.  It’s just a rambling nonsense.

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11 minutes ago, West 77 said:

 

 

I'm not anti English or anti British which is why I believe the statistics and information released by the ONS to be accurate and truthful. Why should I believe information and statistics provided by non English and non British organisations and other countries to be  more accurate and truthful than what the ONS tells us? 

So, if you trust the ONS, why are you querying their research and conclusions?

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