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6 hours ago, Annie Bynnol said:

It was the R&D that left for the new Cambridge site,   Alderley Park and Macclesfield are still employ thousands.

Yes I meant their R&D operation, although many head office staff from London also went there as it's now the UK HQ. There are now very few AZ employees at Alderley Park. It has become a popular new life-science hub but now populated by several other firms who rent laboratory & office space. Part of the site (which used to be a stately home before ICI bought it) has now been developed into posh housing!

 

Macclesfield is a production site so it wouldn't have made any sense to relocate this to Cambridge.

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38 minutes ago, petemcewan said:

This is going to be interesting. Let's hope it's a great leap forward.

 

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/new-covid-19-trial-tests-mixing-two-different-vaccines-first-n1256683

The vaccines have a range of effectivness, from around 60% - 95%

 

Would it be better to just go with the one that gives 95% effectivness?

Are we searching for more than 95%, that would be great.

 

But to be honest, I think there is very little scrutiny, they could claim 100% effectivness and the media wouldnt blink an eye.

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I have just received my invitation to make an appointment for the COVID injection. Please can someone tell me if there is a choice of vaccination centres for Sheffield, or is there just a choice between your own GP and the Arena vaccination centre? Also, please can someone tell me if the vaccinating staff at the Arena wear protective gloves when they are injecting patients? May seem like a stupid question but last week there were photos of people giving injections and not wearing protective gloves (at a drive through centre) and it really put me off?

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21 minutes ago, Poll said:

I have just received my invitation to make an appointment for the COVID injection. Please can someone tell me if there is a choice of vaccination centres for Sheffield, or is there just a choice between your own GP and the Arena vaccination centre? Also, please can someone tell me if the vaccinating staff at the Arena wear protective gloves when they are injecting patients? May seem like a stupid question but last week there were photos of people giving injections and not wearing protective gloves (at a drive through centre) and it really put me off?

Just booked mine this morning, Poll, after receiving a text from my surgery - and the letter, which should explain the procedure. If your GP surgery is doing them, and they have the capacity, you will most likely go there. Sadly, my surgery has too many to handle, so I'm going to Jordanthorpe.

 

The staff doing the vaccinations will be wearing full PPE including gloves. I suspect those photos were staged and it would be wasteful just to put on gloves for a photo, only to have to discard them afterwards.

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EL Cid,

 I do agree with your second paragraph.

I would very much appreciate it, if you could elaborate on what you mean by,"very little scrutiny".

I don't see how Pharma can get away with releasing fraudulent

vaccine data into the public domain . 

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1 hour ago, petemcewan said:

 I do agree with your second paragraph.

I would very much appreciate it, if you could elaborate on what you mean by,"very little scrutiny".

I don't see how Pharma can get away with releasing fraudulent

vaccine data into the public domain . 

If there had been some scrutiny, surely people would be choosing the most effective vaccine with the least side effects? Which vaccine would that be?

Maybe people are, its just me that took the first one offered.

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6 hours ago, El Cid said:

The vaccines have a range of effectivness, from around 60% - 95%

 

Would it be better to just go with the one that gives 95% effectivness?

The problem with that (as I see it) is that if every government went with that idea there would many less people vaccinated in a timely manner because of the demand for just one vaccine leading to shortages. I would have though that vaccinating as many people as possible in the shortest time with whatever is available at present would be the best way to go. If there are shortages of one, as already seen in the EU and US then others can be used. Don't forget, the whole word wants vaccines and is the reason why many are available now and why so many are in trials, over 300 so far. No one has mentioned cost but the Oxford/AstraZeneca one is £1.78 per shot whereas the Pfizer/BioNTec is £10.53 so that may also be a factor.

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The Oxford trial found with two doses its vaccine was 62% effective.

The Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine is much cheaper, although neither the UK nor the US can match the EU’s $2.15 deal: they are expecting to pay about $3 and $4, respectively, per dose.

South Africa’s government found itself on the defensive this week after a senior health official revealed that 1.5 million doses of the Oxford and AstraZeneca vaccine just purchased for use among health workers would cost $5.25 (£3.84; €4.32) a dose, more than twice what the European Union is paying at $2.15.

The Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine is much cheaper, with the company saying it will cost the government "the same as a cup of coffee". Sky News understands it will cost a little under £3 per dose, with two doses needed.

 

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n281

 

Final data from the Pfizer vaccine found it offers 95% protection against the virus after two doses.

Pfizer, at $20 (£15)

 

If you read a news article, then another, each article gives a different effectivness and price.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-vaccines-how-do-the-moderna-and-pfizer-coronavirus-jab-candidates-compare-12134062

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Listening to the Government's info slot tonight from 5pm on BBC, they really confused me.  Previously, they had said that you  got your immunity from 2 doses of the vaccine and that they protected you from the virus and its variants. 

 

Tonight one of them said we'd also need a vaccine "top-up" in the Autumn to beat these variants, and that we may need an annual Covid jab on top of that.  So, if we sign up to the vaccine, it means 3 jabs this year, and annual top-ups from then on?

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What do you think that the difference is (for the patient) between sanitised hands and rubber gloves?

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14 minutes ago, Thirsty Relic said:

Listening to the Government's info slot tonight from 5pm on BBC, they really confused me.  Previously, they had said that you  got your immunity from 2 doses of the vaccine and that they protected you from the virus and its variants. 

 

Tonight one of them said we'd also need a vaccine "top-up" in the Autumn to beat these variants, and that we may need an annual Covid jab on top of that.  So, if we sign up to the vaccine, it means 3 jabs this year, and annual top-ups from then on?

The critical word is "may".

There is no need to be confused. Knowledge is increasing, the longer the pandemic continues.

If the current vaccines prove effective against variants, then boosters become less likely. If they are not effective against variants, boosters will be needed.

 

Why would you not "sign up" to being vaccinated?

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