Full House Renovation

[The Joker]

14 minutes ago, Delayed said:

Still..all Boris's fault...eh?

Last time I checked, BoJo was still in charge of the country.

[Olive]

7 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

You can only do what you can do. I did some work at my mum's house today. I wore a mask because the virus doesn't understand bubbles. I can't stop antimaskers doing what they do, I can't stop house parties, I can't hold the government to account for things I think they've failed on - not yet anyway. 

 

 

Yeah, just gotta get through it the best we can.

[Delayed]

5 minutes ago, The Joker said:

Last time I checked, BoJo was still in charge of the country.

Ecconoob has summed that up for you a few posts back. 

[tinfoilhat]

42 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

"From" coronavirus is a strong choice of words by The Guardian there.

 

I'd like to see their detailed figures on that statement and find out exactly how those deaths are recorded. Even the daily briefings and the most anti-government television news sources are very careful with their wording of exactly how deaths have arisen and the range of nuiances of what exactly gets recorded.

 

There has already been plenty of criticism on the statistics bandied about and how easy it could be for someone to be knocked down by a bus who just coincidentally happens to have coronavirus to be included in the big scary death numbers.

 

Of course irrelevant to all that - to some people nothing will get to over the fact that "...everything's is all Boris' fault..." right?

He's in charge - more often than sailing against the scientific wind- so yeah, some of it is at his door.  He's giving billions to his mates - without any oversight - , letting other mates (dominic) do what  he likes and has a cabinet of people happy to flip, not on scientific or their own advisors but social media. And they're utterly corrupt when it comes to dishing out contracts during a pandemic. Theyre thick as a boxing day turd and think we are too. 

 

Have I missed anything?

11 minutes ago, Delayed said:

Ecconoob has summed that up for you a few posts back. 

He's wrong.

[Anna B]

7 hours ago, Becky B said:

Care homes are already staffed.

Nightingale hospitals are (or would be) staffed from staff seconded from NHS hospitals.  You can't rob Peter to pay Paul, when the  hospitals are full already.

These elderly people don't get escalated to intensive care, so numbers of staff on ICU aren't relevant to them. 

Careworkers could be recruited and trained more quickly and easily so they wouldn't need seconded nurses from NHS hospitals. The Nightingale hospitals were intended as intensive care beds for patients but can't be used for lack of doctors and nurses, so they are standing empty. So why not use them for patients who are not 'ill' and just need convalescent care, tended for by careworkers, and free up hospital beds for those that need them. 

 

 

Edited January 14 by Anna B

[Anna B]

2 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

He's in charge - more often than sailing against the scientific wind- so yeah, some of it is at his door.  He's giving billions to his mates - without any oversight - , letting other mates (dominic) do what  he likes and has a cabinet of people happy to flip, not on scientific or their own advisors but social media. And they're utterly corrupt when it comes to dishing out contracts during a pandemic. Theyre thick as a boxing day turd and think we are too. 

 

Have I missed anything?

He's wrong.

I agree. People seem to have very short memories. 

 

And according to Robert Peston, we now have the second highest death rate in the world. Boris is in charge no matter how often he tries to pass the responsibility onto the scientists, or any convenient body who wanders into the firing line. 

[RiffRaff]

11 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

... thick as a boxing day turd ....

😁

Been reading your Shakespeare again?!

Almost as good as "sweating like a glassblower's arse..."

[nightrider]

I went out for the first time in rush hour today after being at home for 10 months and in broom hill there were the usual queues of cars all the way down from crookes and in from Fullwood/ranmoor. Not much evidence of a lockdown. 

[Mister M]

46 minutes ago, nightrider said:

I went out for the first time in rush hour today after being at home for 10 months and in broom hill there were the usual queues of cars all the way down from crookes and in from Fullwood/ranmoor. Not much evidence of a lockdown. 

It just doesn't make sense does it? Lockdown measures were stricter and more adhered to last Spring / Summer, yet we are told that the new variant is much more transmissible.

Whether this is a failure of Government communication, a knowledge that a vaccine is on the way, or a lack of understanding / unwillingness to comply; or a mixture of all of the above which is probable.

 

Amongst the lessons that Government needs to learn, I think individuals need to learn - not everyone, because as we know, many have really gotten on board with the hows and whys of lockdown, but some haven't. I'm afraid for those unwilling, the carrot isn't enough of an inducement, so perhaps the stick is necessary.

Edited January 14 by Mister M

[Anna B]

3 hours ago, Mister M said:

It just doesn't make sense does it? Lockdown measures were stricter and more adhered to last Spring / Summer, yet we are told that the new variant is much more transmissible.

Whether this is a failure of Government communication, a knowledge that a vaccine is on the way, or a lack of understanding / unwillingness to comply; or a mixture of all of the above which is probable.

 

Amongst the lessons that Government needs to learn, I think individuals need to learn - not everyone, because as we know, many have really gotten on board with the hows and whys of lockdown, but some haven't. I'm afraid for those unwilling, the carrot isn't enough of an inducement, so perhaps the stick is necessary.

We were also told last Spring that wearing masks was not necessary, if not positively dangerous, and discouraged. 

Now they are essential and you won't be allowed in shops without them.

Is it any wonder some people don't take the governments diktats seriously? 

 

I incidently do wear a mask when necessary, but question some of the rules which clearly don't make any logical sense.

[Mister M]

1 hour ago, Anna B said:

We were also told last Spring that wearing masks was not necessary, if not positively dangerous, and discouraged. 

Now they are essential and you won't be allowed in shops without them.

Is it any wonder some people don't take the governments diktats seriously? 

 

I incidently do wear a mask when necessary, but question some of the rules which clearly don't make any logical sense.

No I get that communications from officials hasn't been great. With regards to masks, I do remember initial debate was about their efficacy, and then the need to dispose of them carefully once used. In this regard we did lose vital months. However, given the newness of the situation some confusion is understandable.

I have less cynicism about Government than I do about those individuals who have throughout this pandemic and deliberately sought to deny the existence of COVID or spread conspiracy theories. I have absolutely no idea what these people get from doing this. Battling Coronavirus is hard enough, why on earth people would want to inflame the situation is beyond me.

Questioning rules is fine, often doing so elicits a clearer explanation of the whys

Edited January 14 by Mister M

[Mister M]

I would also add that it's a shame a large national employer sought to use its position to spread misinformation about COVID

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/covid-wetherspoon-pub-lockdown-poster-b1785537.html