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My sister is going away for 6 weeks in April.  What will happen if she should test positive for covid before she flies back home?

Where would she stay, who would pay for the extra stay? Who is going to allow a person who has tested  positive to stay at their hotel/country etc  because they won't be allowed to come home?

Who would pay for the flight home when given the all clear? 

Cheers guys 

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19 minutes ago, Jason302 said:

My sister is going away for 6 weeks in April.  What will happen if she should test positive for covid before she flies back home?

Where would she stay, who would pay for the extra stay? Who is going to allow a person who has tested  positive to stay at their hotel/country etc  because they won't be allowed to come home?

Who would pay for the flight home when given the all clear? 

Cheers guys 

Shouldn't she be asking these questions of the authorities at her destination?

 

 

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2 hours ago, Anna B said:

My 95 year old relative has just successfully had his second injection, but I was surprised it wasn't at his regular GP's. However it was one of the Pfizer jabs (which have to be kept below -70) so maybe those are more problematic.

But I don't think all doctor's surgeries are involved, but you are guaranteed an injection within 10 miles of your home.   

It seems to be very patchy. I have a friend who is also 95. She hasn’t even been notified of her first injection yet. She lives in her own home in Rotherham.

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2 hours ago, Jason302 said:

My sister is going away for 6 weeks in April.  What will happen if she should test positive for covid before she flies back home?

Where would she stay, who would pay for the extra stay? Who is going to allow a person who has tested  positive to stay at their hotel/country etc  because they won't be allowed to come home?

Who would pay for the flight home when given the all clear? 

Cheers guys 

Depending on the country, the country themselves will stick you in a hotel for 14 days (Australia might for example). The rest you would need to find yourself I'd have thought. How desperately do they need to travel?

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14 hours ago, DUFFEMS said:

Well, I can only assume that my mother's GP is not one of the best for communication nor looking after their older patients.

I finally got through on the phone to speak to a receptionist on Thursday, they said that they don't know when and if they're getting the vaccine and she couldn't offer any suggestions as to "who I should contact" with regard to my mother.

My mother lives in Killamarsh which is densely populated with "older" people.

 

Duffems

When I recently visited my GP on an unrelated matter she told me that several GP practices in my locality had joined together to staff a large medical centre in the area to   provide efficient maximum vaccination. She also explained that the priority cohorts from each practice had been co-ordinated and people would be offered appointments in turn. I think this seems to be the general approach so I think it’s a case of waiting for the call. 

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There is growing concern that vaccination programmes will be disrupted by health workers off sick with covid or having to isolate.

The availability of vaccines is key in this pandemic but it still feels like some people are in la la land when it comes recognising the challenges ahead.  This lockdown is more relaxed than the March one and yet despite the vaccines starting to roll out we are in more critical situation than we were then.  I have seen big, not very well socially distanced, queues waiting for takeaways in my local area for example.  The amount of traffic yesterday was less than usual for a Saturday but not massively less and still quite busy.  I don’t think those were all essential journeys on a Saturday afternoon. The definition of critical worker has widened and as a result a more children can attend school and more people are travelling to work.  It will most likely draw the lockdown out longer and sadly more people will become victims of covid. 




 

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For those of you who are interested in this debate. My own personal opinion of this brand of ethics, is that it's a prime example of repugnant  authoritarian Utilitarianism. An example of how to tailor a proposition to the outcome that is desired.

I sincerely hope the UK does not  adopted the strategy outlined 

 

https://jme.bmj.com/content/early/2020/11/09/medethics-2020-106821

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Why do some of the so called celebrities from programmes  such as Love Island and highly paid footballers seem to think the Covid rules don't apply to them. We had Rita Ora throwing a party that she pretended was a spontaneous party when it obviously wasn't. Then there are the so called stars from reality programmes such as Love Island going to Dubai saying they are working. Zara Holland and her boyfriend who tried to leave Barbados when he had been diagnosed with Covid,  got a £4000 fine yet she was paying £350 a night for the hotel, a Jamaican man who broke the rules got a 6 month jail sentence.

This morning I read that Man City player Benjamin Mendy flouted rules again when he flew a girl from Greece for a four-day romp. Second time he has broken the rules no good fining him, he lives in a £5m house and must be on a ridiculous amount of money each week. These people are just laughing at the rest of us who do our best to follow the rules.

 

Man City ace Benjamin Mendy flouted lockdown AGAIN by flying girl from Greece for four-day romp (thesun.co.uk)

 

Now I see that Love Island's Elma Pazar is begging fans to top up her bank account as she can't claim furlough, I can't believe the sheer nerve of some of these people.

 

Love Island's Elma Pazar begs fans to top up her bank account as she can't claim furlough - Mirror Online

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15 hours ago, Jason302 said:

My sister is going away for 6 weeks in April.  What will happen if she should test positive for covid before she flies back home?

Where would she stay, who would pay for the extra stay? Who is going to allow a person who has tested  positive to stay at their hotel/country etc  because they won't be allowed to come home?

Who would pay for the flight home when given the all clear? 

Cheers guys 

This should be on the terms and conditions of her travel insurance  

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5 hours ago, redruby said:

There is growing concern that vaccination programmes will be disrupted by health workers off sick with covid or having to isolate.

The availability of vaccines is key in this pandemic but it still feels like some people are in la la land when it comes recognising the challenges ahead.  This lockdown is more relaxed than the March one and yet despite the vaccines starting to roll out we are in more critical situation than we were then.  I have seen big, not very well socially distanced, queues waiting for takeaways in my local area for example.  The amount of traffic yesterday was less than usual for a Saturday but not massively less and still quite busy.  I don’t think those were all essential journeys on a Saturday afternoon. The definition of critical worker has widened and as a result a more children can attend school and more people are travelling to work.  It will most likely draw the lockdown out longer and sadly more people will become victims of covid. 




 

Listening to a medical programme about this earlier, one of the experts said if anything, this lockdown should be stricter than the first because the new variant is 50% more transmissible.

The first lockdown worked to bring the R number down, but this time it's harder to achieve because of the increased transmissibility.

 

People have become complacent (even if they were bothering with social distancing in the first place).

 

It feels like it's never going to end 😞

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29 minutes ago, Becky B said:

Listening to a medical programme about this earlier, one of the experts said if anything, this lockdown should be stricter than the first because the new variant is 50% more transmissible. 

I have heard quite a few scientists and experts in the papers demanding the lockdown should be much stricter. I would like to hear how exactly these experts realistically think that can happen.

 

The country is already into tier five.  A blanket national lockdown for several weeks. All non-essential retailers, eat in hospitality, hotels, schools, offices.... are all closed with remote working arrangements or no business at all.

There are entire Industries teetering on the brink of collapse with the government desperately trying to the balance enough of our finite taxpayer money for either furlough wage to the staff temporarily or makeup a business loss in other ways through grants or other support schemes.

 

Police are now freely able to stop, question and and punish those who are undertaking unnecessary travel or mixing against the rules.

 

However, it is obvious that some people have to go outside to work to keep things moving and such work cannot be done sat in their pants in their living room.  We still need great numbers of people out there doing those essential things like keeping the lights switched on, telecommunications running, the Health Service operating, broadcast services on the air, policing and emergency response available, public transport operating.... 

 

Then of course there's those Great British Public at home.  They still need supplies and to eat, so at the very very least major supermarkets have to be open (yes whilst places like Poundland, Wilko or take away fast-food etc may be a bit debatable - if they still feed and water people they are generally going to fall within the rules). So. That means all these retail staff have to go out to work..... Those stores don't magically stock themselves and need suppliers and deliveries and warehousing. That means that there are 1000s more people going to work in haulage.....Those hauliers on the road need to eat and sleep and therefore service stations and canteens have to be open and operating.... Hauliers need suppliers and manufacturs so every factory and distributor and producer also has to remain open with staff flowing in and out...

 

Its an endless cycle and these experts and statisticians need to get a grip and realise that humans cannot simply press pause and go into hibernation for 6-months.

 

It's all so easy to go on television or make statements in newspapers about how everything needs to be quicker, faster, stricter,harder. It's all so easy to start finger pointing about behaviour of the general public and failures of the government when they are not the ones who actually have to balance practical reality with idealistic proposals.

 

The world doesn't stop turning.  

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9 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

I have heard quite a few scientists and experts in the papers demanding the lockdown should be much stricter. I would like to hear how exactly these experts realistically think that can happen.

 

The country is already into tier five.  A blanket national lockdown for several weeks. All non-essential retailers, eat in hospitality, hotels, schools, offices.... are all closed with remote working arrangements or no business at all.

There are entire Industries teetering on the brink of collapse with the government desperately trying to the balance enough of our finite taxpayer money for either furlough wage to the staff temporarily or makeup a business loss in other ways through grants or other support schemes.

 

Police are now freely able to stop, question and and punish those who are undertaking unnecessary travel or mixing against the rules.

 

However, it is obvious that some people have to go outside to work to keep things moving and such work cannot be done sat in their pants in their living room.  We still need great numbers of people out there doing those essential things like keeping the lights switched on, telecommunications running, the Health Service operating, broadcast services on the air, policing and emergency response available, public transport operating.... 

 

Then of course there's those Great British Public at home.  They still need supplies and to eat, so at the very very least major supermarkets have to be open (yes whilst places like Poundland, Wilko or take away fast-food etc may be a bit debatable - if they still feed and water people they are generally going to fall within the rules). So. That means all these retail staff have to go out to work..... Those stores don't magically stock themselves and need suppliers and deliveries and warehousing. That means that there are 1000s more people going to work in haulage.....Those hauliers on the road need to eat and sleep and therefore service stations and canteens have to be open and operating.... Hauliers need suppliers and manufacturs so every factory and distributor and producer also has to remain open with staff flowing in and out...

 

Its an endless cycle and these experts and statisticians need to get a grip and realise that humans cannot simply press pause and go into hibernation for 6-months.

 

It's all so easy to go on television or make statements in newspapers about how everything needs to be quicker, faster, stricter,harder. It's all so easy to start finger pointing about behaviour of the general public and failures of the government when they are not the ones who actually have to balance practical reality with idealistic proposals.

 

The world doesn't stop turning.  

But it's much less strict than march/April - you only need to look at the end of your road. "Essential" has a much wider remit this time round. If in doubt, probably visit a school. Also much busier than march/April.

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