Crittall Windows?

[L00b]

Thanks Delbow.

 

Any guideline timescale would be useful, as I cannot be sure that we'll be able to get her vaccinated here, and that information would help us weigh up whether to try and get her back to the UK ASAP, or keep her here a while longer...or even reg' her as an immigrant if if came to it.

 

She's a tourist with post-Brexit healthcare cover, but we cannot get any answer from her insurance about vaccination whilst over here, and that problem then lies within the context of the 90 days "clock" started on 1st Jan versus what the UK does/may do by end March in relation to travel/borders...and of course the local British consular services are proving -for now at least- as useful as t*ts on a bull.

 

 

Edited January 6 by L00b

[Delbow]

So your mother in law is a UK national aged 80 but currently in the EU? If it helps, of my parents my mum is the youngest at age 85. She is due to have hers on the same day (tomorrow) as my dad who is 91. Dad has underlying heart condition which is well managed, otherwise healthy. Mum has high blood pressure. People of the same age in the neighbouring borough got theirs about 2 weeks earlier, so there is disparity between areas (possibly different CCGs)

[petemcewan]

Organgrinder,

 

I don't necessarily disagree with you. I put the Thread on to stimulate some discussion.

The quotes are from Nature,and the BMJ. .Both journals carry some weight in the field of medicine.

From my reading the "asymptomatic superspreader " seems to be more pseudo

science than a finding from well conducted epidemiology.

 

The following is what I've been able to  glean from all the reading I've been doing since  May 2020.

Infectiousness is highest within 5 day period immediately before and shortly after symptoms appear.

 

Anyway,not every transmission is synonymous with "superspread" and that term should be used cautiously.

 

 

It appears to me that in the field of  science reporting during this pandemic, there's a syndrome of “some data beats no data”.

During the early days of the pandemic there  has been a plethora of corona virus clinical reports /pre-print scientific papers. And those papers have been superseded by larger, more well-controlled ones . Some of those early observations have held up, and some of them haven’t.

So we need to vigilant in respect of the quality of the science that is being pushed our way.

 

I agree with you entirely that we should follow  the advice. But we should examine that advice to the best of our abilities. In the end-like you say,"opposing views".We have to make a choice on who to believe.

 

IMO there is every reason to think that the amount and length of time of virus shedding by asymptomatics will be reduced-if not-eliminated- through vaccination.

 

However,as I see it,most transmission is in the home, where staying home doesn't stop symptomatic transmission. So on it will go on-for awhile.

 

As far as having a sterilising vaccine. Well,the Oxford people claim that their vax will reduce asymptomatic virus shedding. So get that vax into bodies-and quick.

 

I'll finish by putting my mouth where the money is. The existence of the Asmptomatic Superpreader is a myth.

 

 

 

 

[PRESLEY]

 Could anyone enlighten me,  Is it still possible to go for a Chest Xray at the Hallamshire or possibly turned away till a later time which would be understanderble.  

[Arnold_Lane]

34 minutes ago, PRESLEY said:

 Could anyone enlighten me,  Is it still possible to go for a Chest Xray at the Hallamshire or possibly turned away till a later time which would be understanderble.  

The Hallamshire Hospital probably can.  They'd be the best to ask, you would think.

Edited January 6 by Arnold_Lane

[PRESLEY]

7 minutes ago, Arnold_Lane said:

The Hallamshire Hospital probably can.  They'd be the best to ask, you would think.

Cut out the sarcasm on my post.

[Arnold_Lane]

2 minutes ago, PRESLEY said:

Cut out the sarcasm on my post.

Ok.  No, it's not possible to still get a chest X-ray at the Hallamshire.

 

Do you believe me?  

 

Better phone them and check.  It's the sensible thing to do.

Edited January 6 by Arnold_Lane

[iansheff]

You would think that being in lockdown that the Government would be monitoring people coming into the UK. According to the link below, people spoken to by the newspaper who have arrived here have not had their temperature taken or  been quizzed about forms they had filled in.  Is it any wonder we are in such a mess.

 

Plane passengers from Covid-hit countries shocked at no UK virus test - 'it's a joke' - Mirror Online

[Arnold_Lane]

14 minutes ago, iansheff said:

You would think that being in lockdown that the Government would be monitoring people coming into the UK. According to the link below, people spoken to by the newspaper who have arrived here have not had their temperature taken or  been quizzed about forms they had filled in.  Is it any wonder we are in such a mess.

 

Plane passengers from Covid-hit countries shocked at no UK virus test - 'it's a joke' - Mirror Online

Sounds to me like the passengers are saying, "this is a joke, we might have Covid!"  Errrr, yeah, so why did you fly then?

 

And is it essential for the Mirror to have it's hacks at the airport questioning people?

 

I'm also pretty sure that the UK is a Covid-hit country.

Edited January 6 by Arnold_Lane

[iansheff]

3 minutes ago, Arnold_Lane said:

Sounds to me like the passengers are saying, "this is a joke, we might have Covid!"  Errrr, yeah, so why did you fly then? when they are 

 

And is it essential for the Mirror to have it's hacks at the airport questioning people?

 

I'm also pretty sure that the UK is a Covid-hit country.

Other countries are not just letting people fly in, however it seems that  anyone can come, to the UK. It was the same back in March people were flying into this country including several flights a day from the USA, Why are we in a lockdown yet people are allowed into the country?  I read yesterday Peter Andre wanted to go to visit his elderly parents back in Australia but Australia will not allow him to.

[Mister M]

It is a joke.

17 minutes ago, iansheff said:

You would think that being in lockdown that the Government would be monitoring people coming into the UK. According to the link below, people spoken to by the newspaper who have arrived here have not had their temperature taken or  been quizzed about forms they had filled in.  Is it any wonder we are in such a mess.

 

Plane passengers from Covid-hit countries shocked at no UK virus test - 'it's a joke' - Mirror Online

When the public inquiry happens, I think the open borders policy, & lax Covid rules will be highlighted and interrogated.

I've been listening to LBC a great deal during this pandemic, & people from the world over ring in to say what their policies are.  Some South Asian countries (I forget which ones) demand that people entering the country are mandated to have a test. If positive they are taken to a hotel where they are locked down for two weeks, and CANNOT leave the hotel. 

 

You would've thought that our Government, who got an 80 seat majority, by stressing the need to 'get Brexit done', which was voted for largely because people wanted much stricter control of our borders, would've been alive to this.

 

But apparently not 

[Arnold_Lane]

1 minute ago, iansheff said:

Other countries are not just letting people fly in, however it seems that  anyone can come, to the UK. It was the same back in March people were flying into this country including several flights a day from the USA, Why are we in a lockdown yet people are allowed into the country?  I read yesterday Peter Andre wanted to go to visit his elderly parents back in Australia but Australia will not allow him to.

I don't know. 

 

Why weren't they tested before they flew?  

 

Why is it essential that the Mirror sends people to the airport to ask?