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11 hours ago, Jim117 said:

Yeah, maybe the government should have anticipated this and quietly cancelled the trains and closed the roads to all but HGV’s before they announced the new tier. Instead they relied on the rudest, most selfish, pig ignorant city in the country to do the right thing. All the selfish people that packed themselves into Petri dish train carriages for a couple of hours before unleashing themselves like a pack of plague rats onto the rest of the country are a national disgrace. So sorry you didn’t want to sit with your toddler in your overpriced luxury shoebox for Christmas, sure the deceased citizens of Eyam would totally respect your entitlement.

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14 hours ago, RJRB said:

I don’t think there was an over reaction then,and now these countries have taken the sort of action that many people believe that we should have taken in the early part of this year.

To be honest I don’t think that such actions will have a significant effect on a virus that seems very adept at spreading.

It gives us a little practice,prior to a No Deal Brexit in handling chaos on the roads and the ports as exports are affected and foreign freight owners  will be loathe to come to the U.K.with the probable delays.

There's no evidence it originated here anyway. It has been seen in several other countries too in the past months.

12 hours ago, catmiss said:

Pity train operators didn’t take the same action given the scenes at Paddington station when the only Saturday pm train to Leeds was packed. Operator announced social distancing not possible as train overcrowded, service terminated early so the exodus had to overcrowd another train. Obviously Whitty’s advice to unpack the travel bag went unheeded and the mutated virus encouraged to increase rates in the North aided and abetted by the counties’ homegrown idiots who are determined to have a ‘normal family Christmas’. January Lockdown aka tier 4 countrywide a certainty 

Government should have shut the train networks at the time Boris made his speech to prevent exactly this scenario playing out.

2 hours ago, enntee said:

I would always advise reading as widely as possible.

60% of the new cases in London, last week, are down to the new variant.

That doesn't imply its more infectious though. There are many strains of it that come and go. Some would say its a convenient scapegoat to deflect attention from failing to put London/SE into Tier3 early enough (which has been implied to be for political reasons).

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One of the features of the poor English government response to Covid has been the amount of advance notice of new restrictions, giving people plenty of opportunity to break them before they come in and in doing so spread the virus. It would be more forgiveable if the Italian government hadn't already demonstrated the problem with doing this when they gave advance notice of severe lockdown in northern Italy, and loads of people headed south, taking the virus with them.

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27 minutes ago, nightrider said:

There's no evidence it originated here anyway. It has been seen in several other countries too in the past months.

Government should have shut the train networks at the time Boris made his speech to prevent exactly this scenario playing out.

That doesn't imply its more infectious though. There are many strains of it that come and go. Some would say its a convenient scapegoat to deflect attention from failing to put London/SE into Tier3 early enough (which has been implied to be for political reasons).

Covid cases in London and the SE have been increasing  for at least the last 5 weeks.  It's the most densely populated part of the UK so no surprise that increase in cases is now accelarating.

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Interesting, how the Vatican has declared it “morally acceptable” for Roman Catholics to receive COVID-19 vaccines based on research that used fetal tissue from abortions.
The Vatican didn't name any of the COVID-19 vaccines already being given to people in some countries or authorized to be used soon, but the Oxford/Astra vaccine is indeed one of them.

 

 

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32 minutes ago, RiffRaff said:

Interesting, how the Vatican has declared it “morally acceptable” for Roman Catholics to receive COVID-19 vaccines based on research that used fetal tissue from abortions.
The Vatican didn't name any of the COVID-19 vaccines already being given to people in some countries or authorized to be used soon, but the Oxford/Astra vaccine is indeed one of them.

 

 

what i read is that the tissue is removed in manufacture? its only to grow the cells?

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1 hour ago, melthebell said:

what i read is that the tissue is removed in manufacture? its only to grow the cells?

Apparently so, but it must've been quite a challenge for the Catholic church to endorse the use, what with their view on abortions.

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10 hours ago, enntee said:

I would always advise reading as widely as possible.

60% of the new cases in London, last week, are down to the new variant.

Do you think that is proof that its more virulent and its not just like when we got the numbers down after the first wave, the numer of cases rose again. But that was because of more activity, not a new virus.

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4 minutes ago, El Cid said:

Do you think that is proof that its more virulent and its not just like when we got the numbers down after the first wave, the numer of cases rose again. But that was because of more activity, not a new virus.

As it was said this morning by Dr Sarah Jarvis, where people go, the virus invariably follows.   Obvious, isn't it?   Yet some still can't comprehend this basic fact.

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7 hours ago, nightrider said:

That doesn't imply its more infectious though. There are many strains of it that come and go. Some would say its a convenient scapegoat to deflect attention from failing to put London/SE into Tier3 early enough (which has been implied to be for political reasons).

I dont think Boris realised that it could backfire, with the result being that the ports are closed and food shortages more likely.

Thanks heavens for Brexit, Brexit meant there was operation 'stack' and the retailers were stocking up.

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Another  media campaign of frightening the B Jesus out of everybody.

 

 Variations happen all the time, this is nothing new.

New strains are tracked and vaccines can be updated -  especially mRNA vaccines.

As it goes, there is no need for mass panic about this particular variation.  

There is no evidence  that any Cov-19 therapeutics has given rise to the mutation.Fears have been expressed about the effectiveness of the current vaccines. Peddling the notion that they won't work is scaremongering.In addition, what's not helpful, is having one of the country's  most senior politicians,telling everybody we're put of control.

Get some giddy up in the vaccination programme.

 

 

 

 

 

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I do not think that some people realise the danger they are putting themselves and other people in. The other day at Gleadless Townend there were 5 women, I would say in their mid 50s/60s in a group about a foot away from each other and none of them were wearing masks. I do not care if they catch covid-19 but it is the poor souls that they could pass it on too.

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