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1 hour ago, El Cid said:

Can you have a pint with your meal, then when u have finished your meal, have another 6 pints?

No.  You're allowed to finish your drink after you've finished your meal but not allowed to order another drink.  The pub will want you to leave as soon as possible after you've finished your meal in order to have space to accommodate  others wishing to have a meal.

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1 hour ago, West 77 said:

No.  You're allowed to finish your drink after you've finished your meal but not allowed to order another drink.  The pub will want you to leave as soon as possible after you've finished your meal in order to have space to accommodate  others wishing to have a meal.

But if its after 8pm there wont be many people eating, they would normally be drinkers in the pub. So the landlord will turn a blind eye, if every meal is sold with 6 pints.

Or they may just serve drinks like normal, either that or go bust.

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So, a vaccine is close.

What is the reason antivaxers are against it? Serious question, there seem to be a lot of them out there, but I can't find a cohesive reason for their objections. Is it something I should worry about? 

 

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30 minutes ago, Anna B said:

So, a vaccine is close.

What is the reason antivaxers are against it? Serious question, there seem to be a lot of them out there, but I can't find a cohesive reason for their objections. Is it something I should worry about? 

 

As always, many of the people being labelled as antivaxers are not at all antivax, but question or oppose a particular aspect of a vaccination, or oppose a particular vaccination- in this case there is a lot of opposition to the covid vaccination being made compulsory, either in the sense of 'everyone has to, by law, have it', or, 'you don't have to have it, but if you don't, you can't go to concerts/restaraunts/travel etc, etc.'

 

Many of those who object to the vaccine being compulsory, or who question the safety of this particular vaccine, will not be remotely 'antivaxxer', in that they happily use other vaccines, nevertheless, they will be labelled as such.

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39 minutes ago, Anna B said:

So, a vaccine is close.

What is the reason antivaxers are against it? Serious question, there seem to be a lot of them out there, but I can't find a cohesive reason for their objections. Is it something I should worry about? 

 

It's a good question that's not easily answered.

I have certainly been assuaged by the information I've heard about the vaccine, particularly about its speed of development.

However the arguments of anti vaxxers that I've heard go way beyond mad conspiracy theories.

I think some of them are undoubtedly people who are easily led, naive, and lack information. Some have a world view that is paranoid. 

I do wonder if there is some Russian troll farm, disseminating all these fanciful ideas. We know that Russia has a penchant for spreading misinformation.

 

EDIT: I was going to mention that some of the more fanciful ideas being peddled are to be found on the David Icke Forum. 

But after just trying a link to that site, I've found that it's been taken down. Probably a good thing, however many of the  believers in the more extreme conspiracy theories will see this as further evidence that the establishment is trying to silence them, and that they are right all along :rolleyes:

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1 hour ago, onewheeldave said:

As always, many of the people being labelled as antivaxers are not at all antivax, but question or oppose a particular aspect of a vaccination, or oppose a particular vaccination- in this case there is a lot of opposition to the covid vaccination being made compulsory, either in the sense of 'everyone has to, by law, have it', or, 'you don't have to have it, but if you don't, you can't go to concerts/restaraunts/travel etc, etc.'

 

Many of those who object to the vaccine being compulsory, or who question the safety of this particular vaccine, will not be remotely 'antivaxxer', in that they happily use other vaccines, nevertheless, they will be labelled as such.

great post!

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1 hour ago, Anna B said:

So, a vaccine is close.

What is the reason antivaxers are against it? Serious question, there seem to be a lot of them out there, but I can't find a cohesive reason for their objections. Is it something I should worry about? 

 

Apart from needles, no.

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2 minutes ago, Thirsty Relic said:

great post!

exactly what they said.

 

Emma Kenny was called antivax for questioning it's use on children.   Anyone who has questions is called "antivax".

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1 hour ago, onewheeldave said:

As always, many of the people being labelled as antivaxers are not at all antivax, but question or oppose a particular aspect of a vaccination, or oppose a particular vaccination- in this case there is a lot of opposition to the covid vaccination being made compulsory, either in the sense of 'everyone has to, by law, have it', or, 'you don't have to have it, but if you don't, you can't go to concerts/restaraunts/travel etc, etc.'

 

Many of those who object to the vaccine being compulsory, or who question the safety of this particular vaccine, will not be remotely 'antivaxxer', in that they happily use other vaccines, nevertheless, they will be labelled as such.

It won't be the government who say "you can't do xyz without a vaccine" it will be private enterprise under threat of higher insurance premiums. You are free of course to spend your money elsewhere.

 

That said you aren't allowed to travel to certain countries already if you haven't a jab against yellow fever for example. Does that worry you?

2 minutes ago, MuteWitness said:

exactly what they said.

 

Emma Kenny was called antivax for questioning it's use on children.   Anyone who has questions is called "antivax".

Emma Kenny is a nut bag.

 

Children are vaccinated against other diseases.

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1 hour ago, Anna B said:

So, a vaccine is close.

What is the reason antivaxers are against it? Serious question, there seem to be a lot of them out there, but I can't find a cohesive reason for their objections. Is it something I should worry about? 

 

I wouldn't necessarily say it's anti-vaxers, I think there are probably a few reasons why people are hesitant. These possibly include (off the top of my head) :

 

Apprehension  - possibly the most understandable of all the reasons, it's something new *shrug*

 

Misinformation - a lot of this on social media, Fake news I guess it's called these days but the amount I see daily is phenomenal.

 

Trust - I, personally, wouldn't trust this government to run a **** up in a brewery. Can I trust them with a potential vaccine? And unfortunately, but not unexpectedly, politics and science have become intertwined in a global pandemic.

 

I will take the vaccine when it is offered to me, but I can appreciate other peoples reluctance.

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5 minutes ago, whiteowl said:

I wouldn't necessarily say it's anti-vaxers, I think there are probably a few reasons why people are hesitant. These possibly include (off the top of my head) :

 

Apprehension  - possibly the most understandable of all the reasons, it's something new *shrug*

 

Misinformation - a lot of this on social media, Fake news I guess it's called these days but the amount I see daily is phenomenal.

 

Trust - I, personally, wouldn't trust this government to run a **** up in a brewery. Can I trust them with a potential vaccine? And unfortunately, but not unexpectedly, politics and science have become intertwined in a global pandemic.

 

I will take the vaccine when it is offered to me, but I can appreciate other peoples reluctance.

I do understand apprehension and reluctance too, even though I know way more about the testing and approval procedure than most people and am happy to report that the approval (or lack thereof) for any new vaccination is not in the remit of the government but of scientists who actually do know what they're doing in reading the available data and questioning all potential niggles or safety issues.  Yes, the government put the final stamp on approval, but they do so after the scientists have put it all through their rigorous attention developed over many years to reduce the chances of catastrophic mistakes of the type of which the reluctant people are scared. 

If it genuinely was down to whether Boris or Matt Hancock thought it was a good idea I'd give it the widest berth possible!

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Anna B.

The link I've provided gives an insight into the forces playing out  around vaccination.

Just for the record, I'm personally not in favour of compulsory Cov-19 vaccination ..

The Vaccine Confidence Project site is well worth a read.

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2281-1

 

 

https://www.vaccineconfidence.org/

(This in particular from the Vaccine Confidence Project:

Covid-19 vaccines face a varied and powerful misinformation movement online)

 

https://www.mediamatters.org/coronavirus-covid-19/most-notorious-anti-vax-groups-use-facebook-lay-groundwork-against-novel

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