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35 minutes ago, avalunche said:

Correct.  Also what was quite predictable, was that the students would end up paying eye watering fees and accommodation costs just to end up doing online learning!  

 

Though I do not agree that young people should sacrifice their life and future to keep those who have already lived their lives alive for a few months longer.  I find it quite obscene frankly.  I read this quote elsewhere

 

"Never have so many sacrificed so much for so few"

Haha, yeah cos not going on a freshers week is exactly the same as being shot at by the Luftwaffe!

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9 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

Haha, yeah cos not going on a freshers week is exactly the same as being shot at by the Luftwaffe!

Well said.

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42 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

Haha, yeah cos not going on a freshers week is exactly the same as being shot at by the Luftwaffe!

Hear !   Hear !        :thumbsup:

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2 hours ago, Common Tater said:

I am now thinking that Sheffield  along with Nottingham and  maybe other cities has had extra  measures imposed  because of high numbers of student cases.  We now cannot  meet with our own families in our own homes. This was allowed to happen by the Government and the Universities and was  I believe predictable.  I am not sure how much the students themselves are responsible but their interests seem to have been put ahead of those of the rest of us.

The government has been clear for months that school and university education would get the highest priority for being open, and that other sectors would have to shut down to compensate for the infections this would cause.

55 minutes ago, hobinfoot said:

Well said.

I suppose this is why they are known as the snowflake generation!

2 hours ago, onewheeldave said:

Is it at all practical for the public to use masks safely?

Taking them off and  putting them on repeatedly as they enter/leave multiple shops means they have to touch the masks. The masks need to be stored [in a pocket?]

 

 

Not true if used correctly. You should never touch the mask. Only touch the attachments used to secure it.

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1 hour ago, tinfoilhat said:

Haha, yeah cos not going on a freshers week is exactly the same as being shot at by the Luftwaffe!

That's not what i meant at all.  What i meant, is young people who studied years for exams and than at the end weren't allowed to take them.  I mean people who built up a business, that was forced to close.  I mean people who had planned a year abroad teaching that was cancelled.  I mean those that were in line for routine, but essential health procedures that were cancelled.  I mean those that needed a simple filling but ended up losing a tooth or having a root canal due to inability to get help.  I mean those who lost love ones who were denied the chance to say goodbye.  I mean those denied contact with grandchildren and family.  The list goes on and on.

 

Are you really so blind to what is going on that the only thing you think people have sacrificed is a week of drinking?  Seriously?  Hopefully you were joking.....  Many of those above are real examples from my friends and family.

 

 

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37 minutes ago, avalunche said:

That's not what i meant at all.  What i meant, is young people who studied years for exams and than at the end weren't allowed to take them.  I mean people who built up a business, that was forced to close.  I mean people who had planned a year abroad teaching that was cancelled.  I mean those that were in line for routine, but essential health procedures that were cancelled.  I mean those that needed a simple filling but ended up losing a tooth or having a root canal due to inability to get help.  I mean those who lost love ones who were denied the chance to say goodbye.  I mean those denied contact with grandchildren and family.  The list goes on and on.

 

Are you really so blind to what is going on that the only thing you think people have sacrificed is a week of drinking?  Seriously?  Hopefully you were joking.....  Many of those above are real examples from my friends and family.

 

 

I can only see what you've written.

 

And yes, of course it's been hard for people.

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3 hours ago, avalunche said:

No one wants to pay to use masks correctly,  IE use for 15 minutes then throw them away, for a disease with a 99.5% survival rate.  Same as no one wants Boris to spend 100 billion of public funds  on constantly testing us for that same disease.  Perhaps if it was serious and millions were dying, then yes.  But not for something that overwhelmingly kills those who are well past average life span and with comorbidities.. 

 

Its a criminal overreaction, that has led to numerous avoidable deaths due to denying tax payers access to the NHS that they are heavily taxed for - and still does this to this day.  Better make sure you don't get ill in the foreseeable future as you will be on your own!

 

What has surprised me, is how pathetic, and weak minded our people are. How easily they accepted illogical tyranny with barely a complaint.  A tribute to our dumbed-down education system I guess.

Just a quick comment re: 'avoidable deaths' and 'overwhelmingly kills those who are well past average life span and with comorbidities.' 

 

My sprightly 95 year old relative, who still lives happily at home alone, was recently an emergency admission to Hospital at the height of the pandemic, where he was operated on for a twisted bowel. We were not allowed to visit, but insisted he come out as soon as possible and broke our own lockdown (we're in our 70s) to care for him, as otherwise he would have been admitted to a care home to recuperate.

 

He came bouncing back to health, and after a fortnight was much better, and is now as good as he ever was. 

 

If he had been resident in a care home he would probably never have been admitted to hospital in the first place, and if he had been sent to a care home to recuperate the chances are he would never have left  it. 

I just wanted to point out that the death toll in the old is not necessarily the inevitability that you seem to think and am concerned that the elderly are generally being written off without a thought.  

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2 minutes ago, Anna B said:

 just wanted to point out that the death toll in the old is not necessarily the inevitability that you seem to think and am concerned that the elderly are generally being written off without a thought.  

Exactly, just by the selfish who lack any form of empathy, and don't want to wear a mask boo hoo

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1 hour ago, Anna B said:

If he had been resident in a care home he would probably never have been admitted to hospital in the first place, and if he had been sent to a care home to recuperate the chances are he would never have left  it. 

I just wanted to point out that the death toll in the old is not necessarily the inevitability that you seem to think and am concerned that the elderly are generally being written off without a thought.  

Not all old people die from covid, but most of those that do die are old.    But in your account, did he actually have Covid?  Otherwise I'm not really sure of the point of your story. 

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31 minutes ago, avalunche said:

Not all old people die from covid, but most of those that do die are old.    But in your account, did he actually have Covid?  Otherwise I'm not really sure of the point of your story. 

No, he didn't have covid as it turns out, and didn't catch it. My point was that hospitals were refusing to even admit people from care homes, and doctors were refusing to visit people in care homes, (according to care home staff, pending a government inquiry.) They were abandoned, which is pretty disgusting whichever way you look at it.

 

And apparently care homes are still being coerced into accepting elderly covid patients with a government inducement of £1,000 each.  No wonder the death toll was so high.  Basically it's  a policy of neglect, not just old age and covid that's killing them. 

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8 hours ago, avalunche said:

Or perhaps they simply feel that wearing them is pointless and uncomfortable for a disease that 99.5% of people survive, and that the government stupid edicts should be resisted not complied with?  The same government who told is in March that masks don't work, months later to mandate them for shoppers but not shop staff,  to then later say shop staff must also wear them.   The same government that paid people to go out and have a meal on them to "help out",  and then told people off for going out and spreading the disease.

 

If you were to ask any medical professionals who routinely use face masks, they would tell you they are used and then instantly dis-guarded.    The way we use them, repeatedly, touching them all the time, adjusting, makes them utterly worthless.  Its pure theatre that we are wearing them.  Others who know more about diseases and our immune system tell us that what we are doing is actually weakening our immune system!

 

When I think of this government I think bring them to justice for what they have done and the lives ruined and lost.

I remain unconvinced that masks make a significant difference.   That is just a personal opinion and I will wear one where required before I’m labelled anti mask and called out as being a terrible person 😏 If they actually do make a significant difference however, it doesn’t bear thinking about how much worse things would be than they already are. 
I believe the risk that is constantly overlooked is the risks of spending time in poorly ventilated indoor spaces with others, masks or no masks.

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Can I still go into my sons house as he is in my bubble.? Some of my friends say I can but I thought with the new lock down rules that I couldn’t. Help here please.

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