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20 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

.... Not to mention the thousands upon thousands of loved ones who will die.

I notice the emotive language, people still die regardless. I have had a break recently from SF because a best friend of mine died and so did a family member and both deaths had nothing to do with corona virus. The impact of that and not being able to go to their funerals and support others was very hard to deal with and I know I am not alone.

 

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Thankfully, we have professional epidemiologists and virologists advising the government, rather than the amateurs plying their quack remedies on here.

What quack remedies have been posted on here?

 

One question... Who decided that the excess deaths should be compared to a 5 year average and why 5 years. Could it be that if you go back further and average out the mortality rate over say 10 or 20 years then it show that we are nowhere near those percentages of deaths even with the included corona virus cases we have now. 

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14 minutes ago, Easy livin said:

There are as many professional epidemiologists and virologists  who are disagreeing,  yet the guv are choosing to ignore those  voices.
what if they are  right?  
have you not considered that?

 

What, these experts?

 

https://news.sky.com/story/coronvairus-dr-johnny-bananas-and-dr-person-fakename-among-medical-signatories-on-herd-immunity-open-letter-12099947

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1 minute ago, apelike said:

I notice the emotive language, people still die regardless. I have had a break recently from SF because a best friend of mine died and so did a family member and both had noting to do with corona virus. The impact of that and not being able to go to their funerals and support others was very hard to deal with and I know I am not alone.

 

What quack remedies have been posted on here?

 

One question... Who decided that the excess deaths should be compared to a 5 year average and why 5 years. Could it be that if you go back further and average out the mortality rate over say 10 or 20 years then it show that we are nowhere near those percentages of deaths even with the included corona virus cases we have now. 

Why on earth would you want to compare mortality rates now to those of 20 years ago? I’d have though that the reason for 5 year interval was self evident.

 

Are you suggesting that you don’t believe that Covid kills people?

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2 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

Are you suggesting that you don’t believe that Covid kills people?

More emotive language.... :rolleyes:

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5 minutes ago, apelike said:

More emotive language.... :rolleyes:

No. Just a question.

 

Not that there is anything wrong with emotive language 

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1 hour ago, Anna B said:

IMO Herd immunity is the way forward.

Life should carry on as normal. Let the young catch it as most will have only mild symptoms, and shield the elderly and vulnerable. I am in the elderly group so I would not be happy about this, but we cannot sacrifice the economy, the young, and our way of life because of this group.

Except that it's being reported that many of the younger population who do get the virus, and survive it have a much reduced quality of health and life. 

I was listening to LBC only yesterday of a woman in her 30s who contracted the virus in March and now is severely restricted in what she can do, her life now sounds awful.

 

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17 minutes ago, Mister M said:

Except that it's being reported that many of the younger population who do get the virus, and survive it have a much reduced quality of health and life. 

I was listening to LBC only yesterday of a woman in her 30s who contracted the virus in March and now is severely restricted in what she can do, her life now sounds awful.

 

Really? Do you have a link to anything showing that many of the younger population who do get the virus, and survive it have a much reduced quality of health and life [as opposed to a small minority].

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This young woman was speaking from her own experience on the radio yesterday, so I can't download that.

However there are many first hand stories from people at the sharp end, just check today's Daily Mirror. This from a consultant rheumatologist who is still suffering 6 months later https://www.bma.org.uk/news-and-opinion/doctors-with-long-covid

An epidemiologist, who has researched 'long Covid', found that around 300,000 people had reported symptoms lasting for more than a month. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/sep/08/60000-may-have-long-covid-for-more-than-three-months-uk-study

I will also add that more information is available via the usual search engine, if you'd like to read more about the condition.

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13 minutes ago, Mister M said:

This young woman was speaking from her own experience on the radio yesterday, so I can't download that.

However there are many first hand stories from people at the sharp end, just check today's Daily Mirror. This from a consultant rheumatologist who is still suffering 6 months later https://www.bma.org.uk/news-and-opinion/doctors-with-long-covid

An epidemiologist, who has researched 'long Covid', found that around 300,000 people had reported symptoms lasting for more than a month. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/sep/08/60000-may-have-long-covid-for-more-than-three-months-uk-study

I will also add that more information is available via the usual search engine, if you'd like to read more about the condition.

I'm not questioning the condition, just the use of the word 'many'. What is relevant is the proportion of young people who get severe long term consequences, compared to the huge numbers of young people who get mild symptoms and recover quickly, or are totally asymptomatic.

 

 

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2 hours ago, onewheeldave said:

But when looked at in hindsight, taking into account those who will die as a result of unemployment, destroyed industries, mental health and lack of access to medical treatment, isn't it fairly obvious that those numbers could well exceed any saved by the measures?

 

This "many many many more dead" is nothing other than a tired, knee-jerk mantra that is only remotely plausible in conjunction with a head-in-the-sand disregard for those unfortunates who will die, not of covid, but of the covid measures.

And how will you take into account "those who will die of unemployment" - this is pure speculation about something that might or might not happen.

 

The "isn't is fairly obvious statement", is also yet another unsubstantiated claim gazing into a crystal ball.

 

Your whole argument is unsubstantiated as opposed to the very real fact that people are dying of Covid-19 now.

 

1 hour ago, apelike said:

I notice the emotive language, people still die regardless. I have had a break recently from SF because a best friend of mine died and so did a family member and both deaths had nothing to do with corona virus. The impact of that and not being able to go to their funerals and support others was very hard to deal with and I know I am not alone.

I am sorry for your loss, but if it were I, and I had gone to a funeral, and Covid 19 had been transmitted through the congregation and others died because of attendance at the funeral, I am sure (and yes, this is a personal opinion - you might be different) that I would have wished that the congregation had never happened.

 

1 hour ago, Easy livin said:

There are as many professional epidemiologists and virologists  who are disagreeing,  yet the guv are choosing to ignore those  voices.
what if they are  right?  
have you not considered that?

 

And what if they are wrong?

Shouldn't you err on the side of caution?

22 minutes ago, onewheeldave said:

I'm not questioning the condition, just the use of the word 'many'. What is relevant is the proportion of young people who get severe long term consequences, compared to the huge numbers of young people who get mild symptoms and recover quickly, or are totally asymptomatic.

I question the use of the phrase "huge numbers" - without proper testing we won't know how many that is - so saying it is 'huge' is misleading.

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Visited a care home thsi morning, and used the NHS app to scan the QR code inside the entrance. My phone instantly confirmed where I was, so at least that bit of the operation is working.

Wouldn't it be a good idea to have more types of location having these QRs to scan?

Petrol stations? Supermarkets? Bus terminals? Post offices?

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8 hours ago, RiffRaff said:

Visited a care home thsi morning, and used the NHS app to scan the QR code inside the entrance. My phone instantly confirmed where I was, so at least that bit of the operation is working.

Wouldn't it be a good idea to have more types of location having these QRs to scan?

Petrol stations? Supermarkets? Bus terminals? Post offices?

Had a chuckle at the story a bloke told on Radio Sheffield, Friday morning. 

 

He's downloaded the Track & Trace app & he said it goes off on a regular basis in the early hours, to tell him that he's just been in contact with someone with COVID-19?  

 

Problem is, he's in his bed & he's blaming students walking past his house in the early hours? 

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