Coronavirus - Part Two.

[butlers 259]

The study was from 2008.

Did surgeons stop using masks in the intervening  years ?

 

 

Your link also says it's a hypothesis also.

 

The lasr sentence in the report is just plain silly

 

 

Edited November 29, 2021 by butlers

[Carbuncle 0]

8 minutes ago, Axel said:

1. Preliminary report on surgical mask induced deoxygenation during major surgery

Face mask side effects include lowered oxygen levels.

This study proved that surgeons that wore a mask in surgery for an hour + had significant reductions in blood oxygen saturation.

This is relevant because most of us are being made to wear face masks at work for the whole shift, long journeys on public transport, and when we are in a public places doing shopping etc. and this requires a degree of exertion that is not taken into account.

“Considering our findings, pulse rates of the surgeon’s increase and SpO2 decrease after the first hour.”

Decreasing oxygen and increasing carbon dioxide in the bloodstream stimulates a compensatory response in the respiratory centers of the brain. These changes in blood gases result in increases in both frequency and depth of breaths. This exposes another risk – if your mask traps some virus you are breathing more hence increasing viral load and exposure.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1130147308702355?via%3Dihub
Study article: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18500410/

 

Ok, dokey, I won't perform major surgery while wearing my surgical mask. I'm not supposed to anyway being as I'm not a surgeon but from now on it will be strictly minor surgery for me during the pandemic.

[Dromedary 166]

12 minutes ago, butlers said:

The study was from 2008.

Did surgeons stop using masks in the intervening  years ?

 

Of course not but do they operate on a patient with just a bit of cloth round their face like most of those out and about wear or do they use genuine approved surgical face masks that can actually filter out coronavirus and other particles. Notice haw many seen to go round with the perspex "welder" style masks that are probably even worse than a piece of cloth. Would you be happy if a surgen treating you wore one of those.

Edited November 29, 2021 by Dromedary

[Longcol 600]

19 minutes ago, Dromedary said:

Of course not but do they operate on a patient with just a bit of cloth round their face like most of those out and about wear or do they use genuine approved surgical face masks that can actually filter out coronavirus and other particles. Notice haw many seen to go round with the perspex "welder" style masks that are probably even worse than a piece of cloth. Would you be happy if a surgen treating you wore one of those.

Rather be treated by a surgeon myself....................

[top4718 838]

1 hour ago, butlers said:

The DANMASK study and the big study in Bangladesh both showed less transmission with wide scale mask use as part of mitigation measures

The countries that have managed the disease best like Japan and S Korea and Singapore have very near ubiquitous mask use

I can't speak for Japan but SK and Singapore are strict in every way not just with mask use, cases have still risen sharply in both places. When your quoting these studies you have to realise that some are based on FFP3 (or similar) masks not the paper things that most people use so its totally flawed data, its like doing s study to say that welding gloves stop you burning your hands then issuing welders with knitted ones.

[Guest makapaka]

4 hours ago, melthebell said:

nope, hes still incompetant

Yup - but funnily enough it’s not in the news anymore.

[Guest makapaka]

Covid made people proper weird - everyone thinks their an expert - weirdoes.

Edited November 30, 2021 by makapaka

[top4718 838]

6 hours ago, makapaka said:

Covid made people proper weird - everyone thinks their an expert - weirdoes.

I've said from the start of this thread that there's so much false info and manipulated statistics from both sides that you have to do your own "risk assessment", I don't consider the virus to be serious enough for me personally to be concerned by it and the vaccine isn't effective enough for me to want it. The mask rules implemented today are totally illogical so I won't be following them.

[Chekhov 488]

There is always a bright side.

When this latest variant turns out to be another big scare, hopefully people will just ignore what they're told next time. The boy who cried wolf can only work so many times....

It's quite simple, just tell these draconian dictators to **** off.

[top4718 838]

Just now, West 77 said:

Then you will be breaking the law unless you are exempt from mask wearing.

Mask wearing isn't a law.

[Kidorry 189]

21 minutes ago, top4718 said:

I've said from the start of this thread that there's so much false info and manipulated statistics from both sides that you have to do your own "risk assessment", I don't consider the virus to be serious enough for me personally to be concerned by it and the vaccine isn't effective enough for me to want it. The mask rules implemented today are totally illogical so I won't be following them.

That sums you up. Me .Me. Me. Sod anyone else.

[top4718 838]

6 minutes ago, Kidorry said:

That sums you up. Me .Me. Me. Sod anyone else.

Did we take vaccines on other peoples behalf during winter flu seasons? They killed hundreds of thousands. I've stated I assess my own risks, if others do the same it's not an issue.

Edited November 30, 2021 by top4718