PRESLEY 1,199 #7981 Posted August 4, 2021 9 hours ago, top4718 said: The only people that suffer seriously from Covid apart from the odd isolated incident are the following People over 80 People with pre-existing conditions People who are obese You've more chance of being struck by lightening that dying from it if your not in one of those categories. I don't think its "all fake" its just been manipulated beyond belief. I agree with what you have listed, the Goverment ect said all this last year but I wish the Goverment ect, would have done what they are epceptional at doing, is lied to the Public and stated this Virus can kill everyone no matter what age, then probably the younger end might have taken this more seriously hence more caution preventing as many lockdowns we have had, by the way just my opinion, I could be wrong as per, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Delayed 461 #7982 Posted August 4, 2021 Healthy man, 42, who rejected jab dies four weeks after catching Covid https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9859773/Fit-healthy-man-42-rejected-jab-dies-four-weeks-catching-Covid.html?ito=native_share_channel-home-preview Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Guest makapaka #7983 Posted August 4, 2021 1 hour ago, PRESLEY said: I agree with what you have listed, the Goverment ect said all this last year but I wish the Goverment ect, would have done what they are epceptional at doing, is lied to the Public and stated this Virus can kill everyone no matter what age, then probably the younger end might have taken this more seriously hence more caution preventing as many lockdowns we have had, by the way just my opinion, I could be wrong as per, That is what happened isn’t it? amazing story on bbc this morning where they basically say all the 200,000 cases a day thing was just put out to reign people in. unbelievable really. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
PRESLEY 1,199 #7984 Posted August 4, 2021 12 minutes ago, makapaka said: That is what happened isn’t it? amazing story on bbc this morning where they basically say all the 200,000 cases a day thing was just put out to reign people in. unbelievable really. Yes it's a load of, to put it politely, a load of Politics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Carbuncle 0 #7985 Posted August 4, 2021 2 hours ago, makapaka said: That is what happened isn’t it? amazing story on bbc this morning where they basically say all the 200,000 cases a day thing was just put out to reign people in. unbelievable really. Any chance you could post a link. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
butlers 223 #7986 Posted August 4, 2021 The ,200,000 BBC report. It's revisting the 500,000 will die story really. BBC News - Covid cases and hospital admissions down - is it over? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58078900 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Carbuncle 0 #7987 Posted August 4, 2021 What about the doomsday scenarios? It is true, though, that ministers and government scientists did express concerns that the situation might have got much worse than it has. Health Secretary Sajid Javid said cases could reach 100,000 a day, while Prof Neil Ferguson, one of the key modellers, said there could even be 200,000 cases. These scenarios were possible - at the time infection rates were doubling every 10 days - but they were at the upper end of the modelling scenarios. But there was a reason why the figures were put forward so publicly. It was, in part, to influence behaviour. "We messed up the communication about masks," said one government source. "We had ministers claiming they were ditching them - it was giving the wrong impression when we needed the public to remain cautious. "We knew we had to rein things back again." 2 hours ago, butlers said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58078900 The text above @butlers' link is from the link. I assume this is what @makapaka was referring to. What a ridiculous piece of 'journalism'! Who is it who is saying that the doomsday scenarios were put forward to influence behaviour? The implication of the piece is that it is the government but a literal interpretation of what is written is that it is the opinion of the journalist. A bit slippery that. Then again if it is the government saying they tried to influence behaviour how is it that the really big number (200 000 cases per day) is not advanced by a member of the government ... the people in the room for the big number are the BBC (who the journalist works for) and Neil Ferguson who is an academic. So how exactly does the government get the big number in front of the public? We aren't told. Is it possible that the journalist knows that the BBC and Neil Ferguson were told to air the big number but chooses not to report this? This is one of the ways I find the MSM is dishonest/ incompetent: upon careful reading you realise the conclusion you drew from a casual reading is not supported by what is actually written. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
butlers 223 #7988 Posted August 4, 2021 From memory the story was a one day wonder. Makes a great headline. The 100,000 number from memory possible by early autumn. Hasn't it always been a compliant that " the press" are stacked with humanities degree holders rather than science grads. London was lacking in vaccinations but figures today say 93% of people testing have antibodies. Tesco report , at least 80 percent customers masked . Of the staff 4 out of 5 were. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
butlers 223 #7989 Posted August 4, 2021 It would have certainly suited the government for the 200,000 number to be out there as thier internal critics of FREEDOM day not meeting thier full expectations could be molified ( maybe) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Carbuncle 0 #7990 Posted August 4, 2021 There has definitely been a big push to get people vaccinated and not everybody involved feels it should be left to individuals to make the decision. The politicians clearly believe in manipulation. I'll bet there aren't many who trust more than half of all politicians and quite a few of us who trust far, far fewer than half. My reading of clinicians is that they tend to see informed consent as a bit of a nuisance because it takes decisions out of their 'expert' hands. Never mind the fact that they do not have skin in the game because that skin belongs to the patients. They also sometimes forget to mention their conflict of interest: they often say get jabbed for your own benefit while failing to mention they really, really want you jabbed for the common good. The BBC has little or no scientific competence but probably feels it should act responsibly (ie pro-vaccination) ... that is when it isn't looking for controversy or trying to frame everything as an argument between two sets of talking heads. I like the scientists. Herding scientists seems to be on a par with herding cats and they seem to like to insist on nuance. [Reminds me of Nixon asking for a one handed economist because he was fed up of hearing 'on the one hand ..., on the other hand ...'.] Nonetheless the vaccines have thus far turned out really well. In the second wave about 1 in 50 cases lead to death, in the current wave it is more like 1 in 700. We also have falling cases with little in the way of restrictions due in part to vaccination. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Guest makapaka #7991 Posted August 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Carbuncle said: What about the doomsday scenarios? It is true, though, that ministers and government scientists did express concerns that the situation might have got much worse than it has. Health Secretary Sajid Javid said cases could reach 100,000 a day, while Prof Neil Ferguson, one of the key modellers, said there could even be 200,000 cases. These scenarios were possible - at the time infection rates were doubling every 10 days - but they were at the upper end of the modelling scenarios. But there was a reason why the figures were put forward so publicly. It was, in part, to influence behaviour. "We messed up the communication about masks," said one government source. "We had ministers claiming they were ditching them - it was giving the wrong impression when we needed the public to remain cautious. "We knew we had to rein things back again." The text above @butlers' link is from the link. I assume this is what @makapaka was referring to. What a ridiculous piece of 'journalism'! Who is it who is saying that the doomsday scenarios were put forward to influence behaviour? The implication of the piece is that it is the government but a literal interpretation of what is written is that it is the opinion of the journalist. A bit slippery that. Then again if it is the government saying they tried to influence behaviour how is it that the really big number (200 000 cases per day) is not advanced by a member of the government ... the people in the room for the big number are the BBC (who the journalist works for) and Neil Ferguson who is an academic. So how exactly does the government get the big number in front of the public? We aren't told. Is it possible that the journalist knows that the BBC and Neil Ferguson were told to air the big number but chooses not to report this? This is one of the ways I find the MSM is dishonest/ incompetent: upon careful reading you realise the conclusion you drew from a casual reading is not supported by what is actually written. Bbc quoted an unnamed “government source”. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Carbuncle 0 #7992 Posted August 4, 2021 1 hour ago, makapaka said: Bbc quoted an unnamed “government source”. True enough but the government source doesn't seem to be saying the 200 000 was put forward in the media because of government manipulation ... or does it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...