apelike   10 #6913 Posted July 16, 2021 4 hours ago, butlers said: Not that one should be cynical.  https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/how-many-covid-19-vaccines-has-the-uk-donated/?  If it turns out we gave a chunk of foreign aid money to the covax scheme but then make the poorer countries BUY our spare vaccines.   To be fair Boris did say 100 million surplus vaccines within the next year. As with the EU the priority must be to provide them to its own people first. I just wonder if James Hitchings-Hales has had any vaccinations yet and if not when his turn comes would he be willing to donate his to another country first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Carbuncle   0 #6914 Posted July 16, 2021 Newsnight were reporting last night that the time to obtain results for (home) PCR tests has been rising sharply recently. I think this means that the moderation in growth rate for cases (?50% rise per week down to 30% per week?) might be largely due to pressure on testing capacity rather than reduction in growth rates for infections. Presumably this effect will increase as daily infections increase making the daily case data less useful.  The nature of the case data is also likely to change as schools break up for the Summer because a lot of secondary school kids were testing a couple of times a week using lateral flow tests. I think many schools break next week so conceivably there might be a non-meaningful drop in the case numbers related to this.  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
hackey lad   3,819 #6915 Posted July 16, 2021 6 hours ago, Mister M said: Boris Johnson’s policy poses ‘danger to the world’, as Whitty warns UK could face ‘trouble’  Covid news live: Latest updates as scientists say UK policy poses ‘danger to world’ | The Independent  Worrying, but it's been known for a while now that not keeping on top of infection rates leads to new variants. I suppose Johnson is keeping his fingers crossed that the new variant, if one does emerge, is not vaccine resistant. Needless to say if it is vaccine resistant, more lockdowns, and Britain will be known as 'plague island'. "Plague Island" thats a good one . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Colin Foster   70 #6916 Posted July 16, 2021 9 hours ago, makapaka said: 3 of my mates, 1 family member and 2 of my neighbours got Covid in the last week - you'd have to be mad to have a vaccine ready and waiting for you and turn it down.  Cos you're gonna get Covid - no doubt about it. Not necessarily  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
altus   514 #6917 Posted July 16, 2021 1 hour ago, hackey lad said: "Plague Island" thats a good one . The term is already used to refer to the UK mainland on the Isle of Man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
FoxLady   120 #6918 Posted July 16, 2021 ...and now, for your further entertainment....   Norovirus. Earlier than usual. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57865112     Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
onewheeldave   22 #6919 Posted July 16, 2021 54 minutes ago, FoxLady said: ...and now, for your further entertainment....   Norovirus. Earlier than usual. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57865112     And another negative of lockdowns-  ' Prof Paul Hunter, from the Norwich School of Medicine at the University of East Anglia, said the increase of cases of norovirus in children "almost certainly" reflected reduced immunity to this infection as a result of not being exposed to it as the country locked down for Covid. "We have already started to see cases rising for some of the other respiratory viruses and this reminds us that as we come out of lockdown we are likely to start seeing many other infections rising that may cause problems for public health and the NHS. "Doctors in new Zealand have coined the phrase 'immunity debt' to describe this phenomenon.'  [from the quoted link] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Thirsty Relic   202 #6920 Posted July 16, 2021 I wonder if.........  I've never suffered from Hay Fever or had any problem around grass, but twice recently I've cut a relative's lawn, and on both occasions I've had sneezing and coughing fits, and a runny nose. All symptoms go as soon as I am on my way home.  Surely in my later years I've not contracted Hay Fever? If so, could it be due to the lockdown, and will it disappear IF we stay out of lockdown and things get better? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Longcol   577 #6921 Posted July 16, 2021 23 minutes ago, onewheeldave said: And another negative of lockdowns-  ' Prof Paul Hunter, from the Norwich School of Medicine at the University of East Anglia, said the increase of cases of norovirus in children "almost certainly" reflected reduced immunity to this infection as a result of not being exposed to it as the country locked down for Covid. "We have already started to see cases rising for some of the other respiratory viruses and this reminds us that as we come out of lockdown we are likely to start seeing many other infections rising that may cause problems for public health and the NHS. "Doctors in new Zealand have coined the phrase 'immunity debt' to describe this phenomenon.'  [from the quoted link] So the sooner we get people vaccinated, wearing masks to protect each other and prevent hospitalisations due to Covid the sooner we can get on with dealing with the backlog of other cases / ave the resources to deal with other cases that will arise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
onewheeldave   22 #6922 Posted July 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Longcol said: So the sooner we get people vaccinated, wearing masks to protect each other and prevent hospitalisations due to Covid the sooner we can get on with dealing with the backlog of other cases / ave the resources to deal with other cases that will arise. Albeit it at the cost of increasing the 'immunity debt' further 14 minutes ago, Thirsty Relic said: I wonder if.........  I've never suffered from Hay Fever or had any problem around grass, but twice recently I've cut a relative's lawn, and on both occasions I've had sneezing and coughing fits, and a runny nose. All symptoms go as soon as I am on my way home.  Surely in my later years I've not contracted Hay Fever? If so, could it be due to the lockdown, and will it disappear IF we stay out of lockdown and things get better? Could be just age- autoimmune issues often arise with increasing age- I've never had hay fever but over the past few years am getting a lot of eye irritation especially in summer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Carbuncle   0 #6923 Posted July 16, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, onewheeldave said: Albeit it at the cost of increasing the 'immunity debt' further Having no flu season last Winter will have saved quite a few lives even if it fueled the immunity debt as you call it. Edited July 16, 2021 by Carbuncle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Longcol   577 #6924 Posted July 16, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, onewheeldave said: Albeit it at the cost of increasing the 'immunity debt' further  Hospitals have got to react to  what comes through the door.  Let's try to stop more covid cases coming through the door by getting vaccinated and wearing masks for mutual protection (indoors eg supermarkets or outdoors eg packed stadia ). Edited July 16, 2021 by Longcol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...