Coronavirus - Part Two.

[onewheeldave 22]

 

45 minutes ago, sibon said:

Which bit of wearing a lanyard are the rest unable to do?

Who do you mean by 'the rest'?

[Guest sibon]

1 minute ago, onewheeldave said:

 

Who do you mean by 'the rest'?

You said that “some do wear a lanyard “. I’d have thought that my question was quite clear in the context of your statement.

[The_DADDY 3,468]

12 minutes ago, sibon said:

If you can’t answer my question, just say so. Or, just don’t respond at all.

 

This is a killer virus that we’re talking about, not a case of the sniffles.

I answered you. I said there is no obligation legal or otherwise to display anything if you are exempt. 

I also made a suggestion for a route you could go down in order to understand the other side of things. 

If you don't want to understand than that's fine. 

[Guest sibon]

1 minute ago, The_DADDY said:

I answered you. I said there is no obligation legal or otherwise to display anything if you are exempt. 

I also made a suggestion for a route you could go down in order to understand the other side of things. 

If you don't want to understand than that's fine. 

Ah, you have me mistaken. For a start, I have a professional interest in this. One which extends considerably further than just having a chat with someone who is being asocial.

 

For a finish, you didn’t answer my question.

For clarity, I was asking why people who are unable to wear masks are also unable to wear a lanyard. Feel free to explain if you can. I’m all ears.

[onewheeldave 22]

1 hour ago, sibon said:

Which bit of wearing a lanyard are the rest unable to do?

So you're referring to those who ARE mask exempt who choose to not wear lanyards/badges identifying them as such.

 

The way you've phrased your question carries an implication that they are somehow unable to wear a lanyard, whereas, in many cases, it's a choice to not wear one.

 

It's important to understand that the govt regulations make it clear that there is no obligation for mask exempt people to wear lanyards; no doubt that is partly for historical reasons because forcing minority groups to wear symbols that identify them to the public as being in a particular minority group has led to things like scapegoating and genocide.

 

As to why individual mask exempt people choose to not wear such ID, I expect the reasons are many and varied- they could include the one mentioned above. Perhaps they don't want their hidden disability to be made public, possibly fearful of their prejudiced employers finding out and dismissing them?

 

The key point is that by not wearing a lanyard, they are doing nothing wrong.

 

This is in sharp contrast to any member of the public, or shop assistant, or security guard, who, being under the false impression that mask exempt people need to wear a lanyard, persist with more questions once the person has replied to the intial one with the answer 'I am mask exempt'- further questioning is against the rules and constitutes harrassment.

 

 

 

Edited April 24, 2021 by onewheeldave

[The_DADDY 3,468]

Just now, sibon said:

Ah, you have me mistaken. For a start, I have a professional interest in this. One which extends considerably further than just having a chat with someone who is being asocial.

 

For a finish, you didn’t answer my question.

For clarity, I was asking why people who are unable to wear masks are also unable to wear a lanyard. Feel free to explain if you can. I’m all ears.

It's easy to explain. By not wearing a mask they are showing they are exempt. That is the only thing they need to do. 

Nothing more. 

They don't need to wear a lanyard or a badge or a sticker. 

Not wearing a mask is showing they are exempt. 

Like I said, easy to explaon. 

[Guest sibon]

1 minute ago, The_DADDY said:

It's easy to explain. By not wearing a mask they are showing they are exempt. That is the only thing they need to do. 

Nothing more. 

They don't need to wear a lanyard or a badge or a sticker. 

Not wearing a mask is showing they are exempt. 

Like I said, easy to explaon. 

But they aren’t. 
 

By not wearing a mask, they are showing that they are not wearing a mask.

 

This might be because they are exempt, but equally it might be because they are a bit of an arse. That’s specialist vocabulary for a non compliant sociopath, by the way.

 

In any case, anyone not wearing a mask in an enclosed space is likely to get grief from others. A lanyard would avoid that. The only rational conclusion is that those who won’t wear either a mask, or a lanyard are seeking confrontation. Just like those who make excuses for them.

[The_DADDY 3,468]

3 minutes ago, sibon said:

But they aren’t. 
 

By not wearing a mask, they are showing that they are not wearing a mask.

 

This might be because they are exempt, but equally it might be because they are a bit of an arse. That’s specialist vocabulary for a non compliant sociopath, by the way.

 

In any case, anyone not wearing a mask in an enclosed space is likely to get grief from others. A lanyard would avoid that. The only rational conclusion is that those who won’t wear either a mask, or a lanyard are seeking confrontation. Just like those who make excuses for them.

You're entitled to your opinion no matter how discriminatory it is just be warned if you decide to give an exempt person grief then you are the one who could fall foul of the law. 

[onewheeldave 22]

2 minutes ago, sibon said:

 

 

In any case, anyone not wearing a mask in an enclosed space is likely to get grief from others. A lanyard would avoid that. The only rational conclusion is that those who won’t wear either a mask, or a lanyard are seeking confrontation. Just like those who make excuses for them.

This is nonsense

Anyone giving 'grief' to a disabled mask exempt person is a bully, pure and simple.

I personally have had zero 'grief' in enclosed spaces when not wearing a mask- I suspect that is because anyone attempting to give me grief would get plenty back, and it probably shows. In contrast, many other autistic people and disabled people, including some of my clients, have received 'grief', despite being mask exempt and wearing lanyards/badges. Again, this is compatible with the hypothesis that there are a lot of bullies, ignorant of the rules, who like to pick on vulnerable and disabled people.

 

 

[Guest sibon]

18 minutes ago, onewheeldave said:

This is nonsense

Anyone giving 'grief' to a disabled mask exempt person is a bully, pure and simple.

I personally have had zero 'grief' in enclosed spaces when not wearing a mask- I suspect that is because anyone attempting to give me grief would get plenty back, and it probably shows. In contrast, many other autistic people and disabled people, including some of my clients, have received 'grief', despite being mask exempt and wearing lanyards/badges. Again, this is compatible with the hypothesis that there are a lot of bullies, ignorant of the rules, who like to pick on vulnerable and disabled people.

 

 

You still haven’t explained why it isn’t possible for people to wear lanyards. It would stop many problems before they start.

 

There is nothing remotely bullying about people wishing to be safe, by the way.

Edited April 24, 2021 by sibon

[The_DADDY 3,468]

5 minutes ago, sibon said:

You still haven’t explained why it isn’t possible for people to

wear lanyards. It would stop any problems before they start.

 

There is nothing remotely bullying about people wishing to be safe, by the way.

If it bothers you so much then its simple. You wear your mask, have the vaccine and then if it still bothers you then speak to your MP about getting the rules changed. 

In the meantime if you see somone not wearing a mask or lanyard then just assume they are exempt and move on with your day safe in the knowledge that your mask/vaccine is protecting you and by not giving a disabled person grief you have also probably helped them a lttle bit too. 

[Guest sibon]

27 minutes ago, The_DADDY said:

If it bothers you so much then its simple. You wear your mask, have the vaccine and then if it still bothers you then speak to your MP about getting the rules changed. 

In the meantime if you see somone not wearing a mask or lanyard then just assume they are exempt and move on with your day safe in the knowledge that your mask/vaccine is protecting you and by not giving a disabled person grief you have also probably helped them a lttle bit too. 

I don’t think that I’ve suggested anywhere that I would give anyone “grief”. 
 

Please don’t project your insecurities onto me.

 

As for me wearing a mask, that protects others. I’m only looking for others to return the courtesy to keep me safer. There is nothing wrong with that.