RollingJ   1,905 #3337 Posted December 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, Longcol said: Yeah - apelike's claim that  "less people will initially need the virus" is total fallacy 😎 Can't see that claim in aplikes post, @Longcol - and I wish you'd drown that revolving fish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Longcol   577 #3338 Posted December 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, RollingJ said: Can't see that claim in aplikes post, @Longcol Post #3429. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
hauxwell   233 #3339 Posted December 30, 2020 39 minutes ago, apelike said: But that is just the news spinning it. The scientists and people in the know have been saying the opposite in that they don't know at this moment in time how long immunity will last either from naturally occurring antibodies from previous exposure to the virus or from the vaccine itself. They do know that in some people who have had it they do have some immunity but no one as yet can put a figure on it and that is why data is important in this new situation. You could be right about the news spinning.  The Imperial College has already done research to find out if certain people have the antibodies to fight the covid virus because I took part and tested posting for the virus.  I’m sure they have enough information about immunity without having to test everyone who has the vaccine.  If I have pasted this correctly this is one of The Imperial colleges antibody research tests I did.  They also want  to monitor me for a number of years.     Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
RiffRaff   10 #3340 Posted December 30, 2020 3 hours ago, MuteWitness said: sputnik v ? Yes, I know what it's called. I still wonder what they're being vaccinated with, because we all know we can trust the Russians with needles, don't we?  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
catmiss   12 #3341 Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, apelike said: I think everybody should be tested first before receiving the vaccine to see if they have any virus antibodies present and had the infection in the past. It seems that many have had this virus without knowing or showing symptoms and they should be at the back of the queue to allow others who are vulnerable to get it first. Given the current infection rates and resulting pressure on the NHS I think the priority is to get as many of those deemed particularly vulnerable, through age and/or disease, vaccinated via an initial dose. Testing for antibody levels pre vaccination would only delay and divert personnel from delivering vaccine. From what I’ve read antibody levels post Covid can fluctuate possibly leading to a second infection. Given all of the above I’d rather immunise those who are at most risk from the virus and, as such post most risk to to a fully functioning NHS Edited December 30, 2020 by catmiss Addition Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
apelike   10 #3342 Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Longcol said: Post #3429. RollingJ is correct as its a case of selective quoting.  What I said was "But it may also mean less people will initially need the virus which also costs money and resources to create and administer." You missed the bit in bold which puts the whole quote in context!  But having said that I'm sure people will know that I meant vaccine and not virus. Edited December 31, 2020 by apelike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
apelike   10 #3343 Posted December 31, 2020 4 hours ago, hauxwell said: You could be right about the news spinning.  The Imperial College has already done research to find out if certain people have the antibodies to fight the covid virus because I took part and tested posting for the virus.  I’m sure they have enough information about immunity without having to test everyone who has the vaccine.  If I have pasted this correctly this is one of The Imperial colleges antibody research tests I did.  They also want  to monitor me for a number of years.  I'm sure many are doing research into it but what is the result so far as its seem to be still unknown and that's the point I am making. They really don't have enough information about immunity as a result of contracting it or as a result of having any vaccination. As you have already stated they will monitor you for a number of years so until that data is forthcoming what may or may not happen in the meantime is based on what? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
apelike   10 #3344 Posted December 31, 2020 2 hours ago, catmiss said: Given all of the above I’d rather immunise those who are at most risk from the virus and, as such post most risk to to a fully functioning NHS I agree with that and have already stated so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
petemcewan   27 #3345 Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) Numerous times this morning I heard various news channels refer to the "new Co-19 variant" as being a "new strain". It is not a new stain.  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/covid-strain-mutation-variant-england-b1777724.html  Link explains:Strain, Variant, mutation.  Edited December 31, 2020 by petemcewan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
PRESLEY   1,199 #3346 Posted December 31, 2020 Why Mass testing at Schools, just Vaccinate them instead.  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
RJRB   676 #3347 Posted December 31, 2020 19 minutes ago, PRESLEY said: Why Mass testing at Schools, just Vaccinate them instead.  Instead of who? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Pettytom   1 #3348 Posted December 31, 2020 1 hour ago, PRESLEY said: Why Mass testing at Schools, just Vaccinate them instead.  Why? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...