Jim117 72 #3217 Posted December 21, 2020 18 minutes ago, catmiss said: Pity train operators didn’t take the same action given the scenes at Paddington station when the only Saturday pm train to Leeds was packed. Operator announced social distancing not possible as train overcrowded, service terminated early so the exodus had to overcrowd another train. Obviously Whitty’s advice to unpack the travel bag went unheeded and the mutated virus encouraged to increase rates in the North aided and abetted by the counties’ homegrown idiots who are determined to have a ‘normal family Christmas’. January Lockdown aka tier 4 countrywide a certainty Yeah, maybe the government should have anticipated this and quietly cancelled the trains and closed the roads to all but HGV’s before they announced the new tier. Instead they relied on the rudest, most selfish, pig ignorant city in the country to do the right thing. All the selfish people that packed themselves into Petri dish train carriages for a couple of hours before unleashing themselves like a pack of plague rats onto the rest of the country are a national disgrace. So sorry you didn’t want to sit with your toddler in your overpriced luxury shoebox for Christmas, sure the deceased citizens of Eyam would totally respect your entitlement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Baron99 794 #3218 Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, butlers said: Flights now banned to Germany Sweden Switzerland Kuwait Italy Dare say that list will grow by the hour Well can you blame them? Especially with the new variant strain on the rise with very little information about whether current vaccines are effective against it & mainland Europe, predominantly the EU countries, yet to start their vaccination programmes. The last thing they want are two strains of COVID running rife, although the new variant is already in the Netherlands. It's a pity that we didn't take similar action in the early months of the pandemic, rather than continuing to allow hundreds of thousands of travellers enter the UK, unchallenged, except for the condition that should they suddenly show symptoms, they'd PROMISE to self-isolate. If people check the BBC's European news outlet, they would see that many European countries are starting more stringent lockdowns anyway so travel to them closer to Christmas, would be virtuality out of the question & people would have to isolate on arrival. The main ski resorts in France, Germany & Italy will all be closed this season. The Dutch, who have now band UK travel, have already identified a large number of rising cases in Holland of the new COVID variant, (currently found in London & the S.E.), about a week ago & imposed tough restrictions on their own citizens in Holland. This has prompted warnings from the Belgium government to the Dutch, not to attempt border crossings into Belgium for such things as shopping trips. Europe itself is on full alert, particularly now this new COVID variant, seems to be taking hold. The inconvenience of a travel ban pales into insignificance, if the infection & death rates start to rise again. And while some will whine at countries imposing a travel ban, justifiably I say, think of the the European citizens of those countries now unable to return home for Christmas. The new variant of the COVID virus has recently turned up in Australia. I reckon we should impose travel restrictions with them. We have enough of our own problems getting to grips with rising numbers here, without the risk of importing more. Edited December 21, 2020 by Baron99 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
El Cid 218 #3219 Posted December 21, 2020 4 hours ago, Baron99 said: Especially with the new variant strain on the rise with very little information about whether current vaccines are effective against it & mainland Europe, predominantly the EU countries, yet to start their vaccination programmes. I was reading that this new virus has been tested in the lab and its been shown to be 70% more infectious, NOT 70% more infectious in every dy life. Boris said the new virious was 70% more infectious, without any detail, did he do that deliberately to spread blame? The media are now blaming more COVID cases on this new virus, that may not be the case, we dont know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Delbow 699 #3220 Posted December 21, 2020 These Londoners eh? They always want to have the best of everything, even Covid transmission rates! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
francypants 441 #3221 Posted December 21, 2020 11 hours ago, Jim117 said: Yeah, maybe the government should have anticipated this and quietly cancelled the trains and closed the roads to all but HGV’s before they announced the new tier. Instead they relied on the rudest, most selfish, pig ignorant city in the country to do the right thing. All the selfish people that packed themselves into Petri dish train carriages for a couple of hours before unleashing themselves like a pack of plague rats onto the rest of the country are a national disgrace. So sorry you didn’t want to sit with your toddler in your overpriced luxury shoebox for Christmas, sure the deceased citizens of Eyam would totally respect your entitlement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
nightrider 13 #3222 Posted December 21, 2020 14 hours ago, RJRB said: I don’t think there was an over reaction then,and now these countries have taken the sort of action that many people believe that we should have taken in the early part of this year. To be honest I don’t think that such actions will have a significant effect on a virus that seems very adept at spreading. It gives us a little practice,prior to a No Deal Brexit in handling chaos on the roads and the ports as exports are affected and foreign freight owners will be loathe to come to the U.K.with the probable delays. There's no evidence it originated here anyway. It has been seen in several other countries too in the past months. 12 hours ago, catmiss said: Pity train operators didn’t take the same action given the scenes at Paddington station when the only Saturday pm train to Leeds was packed. Operator announced social distancing not possible as train overcrowded, service terminated early so the exodus had to overcrowd another train. Obviously Whitty’s advice to unpack the travel bag went unheeded and the mutated virus encouraged to increase rates in the North aided and abetted by the counties’ homegrown idiots who are determined to have a ‘normal family Christmas’. January Lockdown aka tier 4 countrywide a certainty Government should have shut the train networks at the time Boris made his speech to prevent exactly this scenario playing out. 2 hours ago, enntee said: I would always advise reading as widely as possible. 60% of the new cases in London, last week, are down to the new variant. That doesn't imply its more infectious though. There are many strains of it that come and go. Some would say its a convenient scapegoat to deflect attention from failing to put London/SE into Tier3 early enough (which has been implied to be for political reasons). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Delbow 699 #3223 Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) One of the features of the poor English government response to Covid has been the amount of advance notice of new restrictions, giving people plenty of opportunity to break them before they come in and in doing so spread the virus. It would be more forgiveable if the Italian government hadn't already demonstrated the problem with doing this when they gave advance notice of severe lockdown in northern Italy, and loads of people headed south, taking the virus with them. Edited December 21, 2020 by Delbow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Longcol 600 #3224 Posted December 21, 2020 27 minutes ago, nightrider said: There's no evidence it originated here anyway. It has been seen in several other countries too in the past months. Government should have shut the train networks at the time Boris made his speech to prevent exactly this scenario playing out. That doesn't imply its more infectious though. There are many strains of it that come and go. Some would say its a convenient scapegoat to deflect attention from failing to put London/SE into Tier3 early enough (which has been implied to be for political reasons). Covid cases in London and the SE have been increasing for at least the last 5 weeks. It's the most densely populated part of the UK so no surprise that increase in cases is now accelarating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
RiffRaff 10 #3225 Posted December 21, 2020 Interesting, how the Vatican has declared it “morally acceptable” for Roman Catholics to receive COVID-19 vaccines based on research that used fetal tissue from abortions. The Vatican didn't name any of the COVID-19 vaccines already being given to people in some countries or authorized to be used soon, but the Oxford/Astra vaccine is indeed one of them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
melthebell 863 #3226 Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, RiffRaff said: Interesting, how the Vatican has declared it “morally acceptable” for Roman Catholics to receive COVID-19 vaccines based on research that used fetal tissue from abortions. The Vatican didn't name any of the COVID-19 vaccines already being given to people in some countries or authorized to be used soon, but the Oxford/Astra vaccine is indeed one of them. what i read is that the tissue is removed in manufacture? its only to grow the cells? Edited December 21, 2020 by melthebell Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
RiffRaff 10 #3227 Posted December 21, 2020 1 hour ago, melthebell said: what i read is that the tissue is removed in manufacture? its only to grow the cells? Apparently so, but it must've been quite a challenge for the Catholic church to endorse the use, what with their view on abortions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
El Cid 218 #3228 Posted December 21, 2020 10 hours ago, enntee said: I would always advise reading as widely as possible. 60% of the new cases in London, last week, are down to the new variant. Do you think that is proof that its more virulent and its not just like when we got the numbers down after the first wave, the numer of cases rose again. But that was because of more activity, not a new virus. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...