Coronavirus - Part Two.

[andyofborg 11]

6 minutes ago, onewheeldave said:

Well there certainly won't be any 'panic buying' this time around. However, anyone with a brain and a memory of the 1st lockdown is very likely to do some rational and intelligent stock purchasing to ensure that they can eat, wash and wipe their bottoms.

presumably many people have already done that

[ivan edake 13]

58 minutes ago, Longcol said:

Where are these stats? I've asked before but  nobody has ever come forward with any except a small increase in cancer deaths over a five year period.

Why do people keep asking for stats,stats can be made to prove anything? I suspect covis is caused by potatoes.After all i bet 95% of people with covis eat potatoes.

[BigPP 91]

2 hours ago, onewheeldave said:

Whatever the number covid actually kills, you can be sure that the number of deaths the authorities attribute to covid, will be far, far higher. Especially when the true horrific consequences of deaths caused by their lockdown start to become apparent- at that point it is not in their best interests to pursue honesty with regard to the deaths attributed to covid.

 

Deaths with covid, are not deaths from covid, especially now we are starting to see how many people have had covid and remained completely free of symptoms.

The same is true of course, of the numbers of deaths [caused  by the lockdown] from mental health issues, unemployment, lack of access to medical treatment etc....... could be 100s of thousands? a million, 2 million? who knows?

Hopefully, this will help explain how Covid(and Flu/Pneumonia)  statistics are collated. The key fact is 'Up to the end of June 2020 in England and Wales, Covid-19 was the underlying cause of death on about 93% of the death certificates that mentioned it.'

 

From https://fullfact.org/health/flu-covid-deaths/ who in turn gathered their information from  https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19englandandwales/deathsoccurringinjune2020

 

How deaths are categorised

Death certificates give doctors space to record several different diseases or conditions that contributed to someone’s death, but only one can be recorded as the underlying cause.  The underlying cause in this context means “the disease or injury which initiated the train of morbid events leading directly to death”. 

For example, someone might develop cancer, which leads to other conditions, from which they ultimately die. All of these conditions might be mentioned by a doctor on the person’s death certificate, but the cancer would be listed as the single underlying cause. It would be right to say that this person “died of” or “died from” cancer, and it would be misleading to say that they died of or from something else.

In its bulletin on the number of deaths being registered in England and Wales each week, the ONS reports the number of “deaths involving COVID-19”, which means the number of death certificates that mention Covid-19 somewhere, whether or not it was the underlying cause.

The ONS also reports in the bulletin the number of “deaths in England and Wales [that] mentioned ‘Influenza and Pneumonia’”. Again, they didn’t have to be the underlying cause of death. 

This matters, because when Covid-19 is mentioned on a death certificate, it is much more likely to be the underlying cause of someone’s death than when pneumonia or influenza is. 

Up to the end of June 2020 in England and Wales, Covid-19 was the underlying cause of death on about 93% of the death certificates that mentioned it. In 2015, 2016 and 2017, however, influenza or pneumonia were listed as the underlying cause of death on just 28% of the death certificates in England that mentioned either of them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Longcol 598]

3 minutes ago, ivan edake said:

Why do people keep asking for stats,stats can be made to prove anything? I suspect covis is caused by potatoes.After all i bet 95% of people with covis eat potatoes.

Only if people don't understand stats. First you would have to explain covid cases in places where eg rice is the staple diet - as well as evidencing that covid isn't caused by a virus.

[Bargepole23 337]

2 hours ago, melthebell said:

you just cant imagine the absolute terror, feeling of loss, heartbreak, stress, harsh living of people living for 6 years through the war, especially the blitz, that would cause serious mental health issues

Can you?

 

How old are you?

[Bargepole23 337]

2 hours ago, melthebell said:

I really wish youd lived through the second world war to see what REAL trauma looks like, this is a walk in the park compared, get a grip

Did you live through the second world War?

 

Who are you to judge another person's mental trauma, and deem it not "REAL".

 

A dreadful attitude.

Edited October 31, 2020 by Bargepole23

[melthebell 862]

57 minutes ago, onewheeldave said:

The lockdowns are certainly having a very negative effect on those with mental health issues, and their welfare has been a very low priority when coming to the decision to inflict a 2nd full lockdown on us.

NOBODY likes them, funnily enough when theres a massive negative thing happening (in this case a pandemic) then strangely negative results happen, thats life. now id like to hear YOUR solutions instead of lockdowns, social distancing, hand washing, mask wearing since they are so dangerous to people

[steved32 55]

Sack Dildo Harding.  That'll save some money.

[melthebell 862]

1 hour ago, andyofborg said:

why? food shops remain open the supply chain is pretty stable no need for anything other than the usual shopping.

 

56 minutes ago, onewheeldave said:

Well there certainly won't be any 'panic buying' this time around. However, anyone with a brain and a memory of the 1st lockdown is very likely to do some rational and intelligent stock purchasing to ensure that they can eat, wash and wipe their bottoms.

Theres already panic buying, a mate posted a pic today that he took of people in front of him with trolleys full

47 minutes ago, BigPP said:

Hopefully, this will help explain how Covid(and Flu/Pneumonia)  statistics are collated. The key fact is 'Up to the end of June 2020 in England and Wales, Covid-19 was the underlying cause of death on about 93% of the death certificates that mentioned it.'

 

From https://fullfact.org/health/flu-covid-deaths/ who in turn gathered their information from  https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19englandandwales/deathsoccurringinjune2020

 

How deaths are categorised

Death certificates give doctors space to record several different diseases or conditions that contributed to someone’s death, but only one can be recorded as the underlying cause.  The underlying cause in this context means “the disease or injury which initiated the train of morbid events leading directly to death”. 

For example, someone might develop cancer, which leads to other conditions, from which they ultimately die. All of these conditions might be mentioned by a doctor on the person’s death certificate, but the cancer would be listed as the single underlying cause. It would be right to say that this person “died of” or “died from” cancer, and it would be misleading to say that they died of or from something else.

In its bulletin on the number of deaths being registered in England and Wales each week, the ONS reports the number of “deaths involving COVID-19”, which means the number of death certificates that mention Covid-19 somewhere, whether or not it was the underlying cause.

The ONS also reports in the bulletin the number of “deaths in England and Wales [that] mentioned ‘Influenza and Pneumonia’”. Again, they didn’t have to be the underlying cause of death. 

This matters, because when Covid-19 is mentioned on a death certificate, it is much more likely to be the underlying cause of someone’s death than when pneumonia or influenza is. 

Up to the end of June 2020 in England and Wales, Covid-19 was the underlying cause of death on about 93% of the death certificates that mentioned it. In 2015, 2016 and 2017, however, influenza or pneumonia were listed as the underlying cause of death on just 28% of the death certificates in England that mentioned either of them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

exactly, covid causes so many issues, you dont always die of respiratory issues but can die of things like brain issues, kidney issues, heart issues etc

[onewheeldave 22]

1 hour ago, onewheeldave said:

The lockdowns are certainly having a very negative effect on those with mental health issues, and their welfare has been a very low priority when coming to the decision to inflict a 2nd full lockdown on us.

 

3 minutes ago, melthebell said:

NOBODY likes them, funnily enough when theres a massive negative thing happening (in this case a pandemic) then strangely negative results happen, thats life. now id like to hear YOUR solutions instead of lockdowns, social distancing, hand washing, mask wearing since they are so dangerous to people

When I said 'the lockdowns are certainly having a very negative effect on those with mental health issues' I was not saying that they don't like them; rather I was referring to the fact that it will cause breakdowns and suicides.

 

My solution is to not have a second full lockdown: to cease the scaremongering, protect those of the vulnerable who want to be protected, and let everyone else get on with their lives.

 

Cease destroying the economy, destroying people's jobs, harming those with mental health issues, allow those with cancer, pre-cancer, heart issues and all other medical conditions to access medical care.

 

Cease the censorship of experts and public who question the official narrative.

 

[Longcol 598]

Just now, onewheeldave said:

 

When I said 'the lockdowns are certainly having a very negative effect on those with mental health issues' I was not saying that they don't like them; rather I was referring to the fact that it will cause breakdowns and suicides.

 

My solution is to not have a second full lockdown: to cease the scaremongering, protect those of the vulnerable who want to be protected, and let everyone else get on with their lives.

 

Cease destroying the economy, destroying people's jobs, harming those with mental health issues, allow those with cancer, pre-cancer, heart issues and all other medical conditions to access medical care.

 

Cease the censorship of experts and public who question the official narrative.

 

What scaremongering and which experts?

[onewheeldave 22]

8 minutes ago, melthebell said:

 

Theres already panic buying, a mate posted a pic today that he took of people in front of him with trolleys full

That's not panic buying. There is a second full lockdown coming, which is insane, and could well lead to a total collapse of what is left of the economy. The lunatics are truly in charge of the asylum. Stocking up is a very sensible thing to do.