Coronavirus - Part Two.

[tinfoilhat 11]

1 hour ago, Baron99 said:

4 Nottingham University students fined £10,000 each & suspended from the university for organising party & lying to police. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-54631524

 

Good but its just a shame that we've had a number of high profile individuals who seem to be able to flout the law & escape punishment? 

 

As well as the home grown law breakers, saw a tv report last week which showed American rapper, Kanye West, coming out of a hotel in London, a day after landing, when in fact he should have been in isolation. 

Stanley Johnson remains at large, doing what he wants with no consequences. 

[Longcol 598]

1 hour ago, Baron99 said:

4 Nottingham University students fined £10,000 each & suspended from the university for organising party & lying to police. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-54631524

 

Good but its just a shame that we've had a number of high profile individuals who seem to be able to flout the law & escape punishment? 

 

As well as the home grown law breakers, saw a tv report last week which showed American rapper, Kanye West, coming out of a hotel in London, a day after landing, when in fact he should have been in isolation. 

Perhaps going for a drive to test his eyes. Quite legitimate so I understand.

[Martin C 81]

1 hour ago, tinfoilhat said:

Stanley Johnson remains at large, doing what he wants with no consequences. 

 

1 hour ago, Longcol said:

Perhaps going for a drive to test his eyes. Quite legitimate so I understand.

Yawn. Please change the record. 

[ormester 11]

8 hours ago, West 77 said:

Do be daft.  Being concerned about the high number of local hospital admissions and not wasting time before new local restrictions are implemented are not reasons why he should resign

So not selling us down the river? 

6 hours ago, Longcol said:

Comparison of support packages to authorities placed in Tier 3 shows that they're pretty much the same  £ per head of population.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/21/tier-3-covid-lockdowns-how-each-regions-support-package-compares

 

Greater Manchester             -  £29 pp

South Yorksh ire                       - £29.29 pp

Liverpool / Merseyside         - £28.21 pp

Lancashire                                    - £28 pp

 

What I'm not clear about is how long this money is supposed to last.

It's not a lot 

[melthebell 862]

4 hours ago, ormester said:

So not selling us down the river? 

It's not a lot 

Depends what it's for, how many businesses will close? TBH there won't be too many pubs that don't do food, compared

[petemcewan 27]

The Great Barrington Declaration.

Travelling home to Sheffield from Hull.  I heard on the radio a talking head  slip neatly  from criticising lock down to banging the drum for  the Declaration.She was very slick with her presentation, that by embracing the terms of the Declaration it will provide a way around  the shortcomings of  lock down.

Don't fall for the Declaration  and don't give it traction. It is neither science or epidemiology. It's the product of an American libertarian economic  Forum.

The poor mugs who have signed up to it have been duped .

 

https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/view/experts-forcefully-push-back-on-barrington-declaration

 

Herd Immunity is the province of Veterinarians.

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The herd immunity approach championed by the Great Barrington Declaration would, if actually put into practice, prove disastrous for society as a whole and the healthcare system in particular.

 

Edited October 22, 2020 by petemcewan

[taxman 12]

16 hours ago, ECCOnoob said:

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Taxpayer money is finite. Some people need to realise that and stop making ridiculous predictions just to do a bit of point scoring against the government.

Yes, taxpayer money is finite, which makes it all the more important not to spaff it up the wall on non-existent PPE,  your mates dodgy track and trace systems or £7000 a day consultants. 

[RollingJ 2,003]

25 minutes ago, petemcewan said:

The Great Barrington Declaration.

Travelling home to Sheffield from Hull.  I heard on the radio a talking head  slip neatly  from criticising lock down to banging the drum for  the Declaration.She was very slick with her presentation, that by embracing the terms of the Declaration it will provide a way around  the shortcomings of  lock down.

Don't fall for the Declaration  and don't give it traction. It is neither science or epidemiology. It's the product of an American libertarian economic  Forum.

The poor mugs who have signed up to it have been duped .

 

https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/view/experts-forcefully-push-back-on-barrington-declaration

 

Herd Immunity is the province of Veterinarians.

 

Link provides a blank page

[melthebell 862]

4 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

Link provides a blank page

That's the benefits of covid herd immunity

[RollingJ 2,003]

1 minute ago, melthebell said:

That's the benefits of covid herd immunity

😄

[Funky_Gibbon 42]

1 hour ago, taxman said:

Yes, taxpayer money is finite, which makes it all the more important not to spaff it up the wall on non-existent PPE,  your mates dodgy track and trace systems or £7000 a day consultants. 

Something that people need to realise is that not a single penny of what the Government has spent has come from taxpayers. It's money that the Bank of England has created out of thin air to fund Government spending. Since the Government owns the BoE that is effectively owes money to itself and therefore it's not actually debt that needs to be paid off through taxation, ever. In normal times this might not be a sensible approach (although many argue differently) as it can lead to increased inflation rates but we're not in normal times, the UK rate of inflation is already close to 0% and the economists are actually more worried about inflation going negative, not growing.

 

https://positivemoney.org/2020/04/major-breakthrough-on-public-money-creation-the-bank-of-england-will-directly-finance-government-coronavirus-spending/

 

 

Basically, any arguments being made that claim we can't afford this or that are political arguments, not monetary.

Edited October 22, 2020 by Funky_Gibbon

[onewheeldave 22]

10 minutes ago, Funky_Gibbon said:

Something that people need to realise is that not a single penny of what the Government has spent has come from taxpayers. It's money that the Bank of England has created out of thin air to fund Government spending. Since the Government owns the BoE that is effectively owes money to itself and therefore it's not actually debt that needs to be paid off through taxation, ever. In normal times this might not be a sensible approach (although many argue differently) as it can lead to increased inflation rates but we're not in normal times, the UK rate of inflation is already close to 0% and the economists are actually more worried about inflation going negative, not growing.

 

https://positivemoney.org/2020/04/major-breakthrough-on-public-money-creation-the-bank-of-england-will-directly-finance-government-coronavirus-spending/

 

 

Basically, any arguments being made that claim we can't afford this or that are political arguments, not monetary.

Presumably though, even if that is true, the original argument i.e.

1 hour ago, taxman said:

Yes, taxpayer money is finite, which makes it all the more important not to spaff it up the wall on non-existent PPE,  your mates dodgy track and trace systems or £7000 a day consultants. 

still stands, because even if there is 'free money' available, it can either be spent on health, education, welfare [all currently grossly underfunded], or on 'spaffing it up the wall' on what taxman is referring to.

Edited October 22, 2020 by onewheeldave