Coronavirus - Part Two.

[Thirsty Relic 213]

I believe that, instead of questioning everything the Government has put in place to combat Covid, if the 5% or so of people who have ignored the new rules had not done so, the figures would be so low that we would be almost back to the old normal.  Instead, we tolerate those who do not follow the guidelines, meet in large groups etc, and suffer the consequences.

 

What can we do?  Let's look at Bolton, where they have supposedly tracked down a large spike in their figures to one bozo, going out on a pub crawl with his mates on arriving back in the UK instead of isolating as required for 14 days.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-54205353

 

Why not throw as much of the weight of law as we can on him and his mates.  Jail terms for them all, with the whole town knowing that they caused further lockdown sanctions for them all.

 

Would others do the same when they could see that doing so would mean misery for others and jail for themselves?

 

We all know another lockdown is coming shortly, either for us in Sheffield or the whole country.

We know people are fed up of lockdowns, so we can expect a bigger proportion of the public ignoring the new rules.

Let's publicise the Bolton case, jail the offenders, to send a message out and to prevent more Bolton's!

[tinfoilhat 11]

1 hour ago, Becky B said:

If anyone wants a nice, clear explanation from someone who knows what they are talking about, I recommend this piece:

 

https://medium.com/@georgialadbury/confused-by-coronavirus-the-science-and-the-sense-behind-the-latest-control-measures-7807afbff17d

Unless it’s ian brown, I’m really not interested.

[Pettytom 1]

Just now, tinfoilhat said:

Unless it’s ian brown, I’m really not interested.

Ian Prowse, the Liverpudlian singer posted this to Facebook yesterday:

 

“Protest Singers; a synopsis.
Billie Holiday: Racism
The Clash: injustice
Christy Moore: injustice
Edwin Starr: War
Bob Dylan: Injustice
Public Enemy: racial inequality 
Bob Marley: Inequality
Damien Dempsey: Ireland 
N.W.A: Police Brutality
Woody Guthrie: Fascism
Ian Brown/Noel Gallagher/Van Morrison: Cotton masks/being inside for a bit”

 

Prowse is well worth a bit of your time if you have a Spotify account.

[tinfoilhat 11]

1 hour ago, Thirsty Relic said:

I believe that, instead of questioning everything the Government has put in place to combat Covid, if the 5% or so of people who have ignored the new rules had not done so, the figures would be so low that we would be almost back to the old normal.  Instead, we tolerate those who do not follow the guidelines, meet in large groups etc, and suffer the consequences.

 

What can we do?  Let's look at Bolton, where they have supposedly tracked down a large spike in their figures to one bozo, going out on a pub crawl with his mates on arriving back in the UK instead of isolating as required for 14 days.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-54205353

 

Why not throw as much of the weight of law as we can on him and his mates.  Jail terms for them all, with the whole town knowing that they caused further lockdown sanctions for them all.

 

Would others do the same when they could see that doing so would mean misery for others and jail for themselves?

 

We all know another lockdown is coming shortly, either for us in Sheffield or the whole country.

We know people are fed up of lockdowns, so we can expect a bigger proportion of the public ignoring the new rules.

Let's publicise the Bolton case, jail the offenders, to send a message out and to prevent more Bolton's!

If only we had more police. Oh yeah, we did have but we* decided we had about 20k more than needed. Interestingly Italy hasn’t had the same spike but they have more police. 

[ivan edake 13]

What I can't understand is the fact that the government puts all these measures in place then allows car boots to take place all over the country and also various demonstrations.Both these activities attract thousands of people who are all close together.I was also surprised that not only has Blackpool illuminations been allowed to take place they have been given a two month extension.Allowing these activities is a bad decision,small wonder youngsters organise booze ups and quite rightly think they have the right to organise a similar crowd mixing activity.

[onewheeldave 22]

3 hours ago, Litotes said:

Aren't nasal hairs and cilia coverings?

 

No. They are filters, a consequence of evolution, finely tuned to a balance between filtering out potentially harmful substances, without going so far that it affects the organisms health adversely.

 

Crucially, they are very different from sheets of fabric- if sheets of fabric were optimal, then we would have evolved to have something similar to sheets of fabric covering our mouths and noses- we don't, hence, they aren't [optimal].

 

 

3 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

No, the level of testing hasn't changed since July. It's because more people have The virus.

Though very few are being killed by it [less than 28 a day in the UK] so more people having it isn't leading to more deaths. Of course, the virus only ceases to be a problem if we don't have herd immunity, acheivable by either a vaccine or just most of the population having had the virus.

 

More people having the virus, along with very few deaths, seems to be progress towards that.

[onewheeldave 22]

3 hours ago, Litotes said:

 

Heresay - and I've spoken to many many people who think that the precautions aren't strict enough - neither case is based on fact.

 

 

True or false is irrelevant to the point I was making- that many people are against the covid hysteria, but keep quiet due to fear of losing their jobs, in this case, nurses and NHS workers who know the measures are excessive and harmful, but can't express their views.

2 hours ago, Pettytom said:

It’s a good job that you and Dave turned up, to point us onto the one true path.

Ad hominem attacks simply indicate a lack of rational response.

54 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

Ian Prowse, the Liverpudlian singer posted this to Facebook yesterday:

 

.....................................
Ian Brown/Noel Gallagher/Van Morrison: Cotton masks/being inside for a bit”

 

Prowse is well worth a bit of your time if you have a Spotify account.

Misrepresentation with intent to ridicule- it's not about "Cotton masks/being inside for a bit”, it's about the mortality consequences of thousands of failed small businesses, mass unemployment, destruction of entire industries, the mental health consequences of tens of thousands being forced onto an inept and cruel benefits system, people dying from cancer because they could not access diagnosis or treatment.

[Thirsty Relic 213]

7 minutes ago, ivan edake said:

What I can't understand is the fact that the government puts all these measures in place then allows car boots to take place all over the country and also various demonstrations.Both these activities attract thousands of people who are all close together.I was also surprised that not only has Blackpool illuminations been allowed to take place they have been given a two month extension.Allowing these activities is a bad decision,small wonder youngsters organise booze ups and quite rightly think they have the right to organise a similar crowd mixing activity.

One answer to this could simply be pressure from the press and social media, that the Government listens to intently.

 

The Government signalled schools could re-open and people could go back to work.

Pressure from hospitality/leisure industry to ease social distancing etc - Government allows it - leading many to think "panic over" and we are back to normal.

Infections increase - cue next lockdown

[onewheeldave 22]

3 hours ago, Litotes said:

 

How does it harm them? Love to see the facts, not the Daily |Express/Mail type, but actual facts...

 

Talk to the government experts who put exemptions for disabled people in place for full details- they clearly believe that masks are harmful to some. Obviously anyone with breathing issues would likely be harmed by being forced to wear a mask; many autistic people find them highly distressing.

[Pettytom 1]

25 minutes ago, onewheeldave said:

 

Misrepresentation with intent to ridicule- it's not about "Cotton masks/being inside for a bit”, it's about the mortality consequences of thousands of failed small businesses, mass unemployment, destruction of entire industries, the mental health consequences of tens of thousands being forced onto an inept and cruel benefits system, people dying from cancer because they could not access diagnosis or treatment.

All that anyone is being asked to do at the moment is to wear a face covering in crowded public places, keep their distance and keep their hands clean.

 

Sadly, we’ve become a society of whingers who would rather pick arguments than take collective action. 
 

The way to avoid the problems that you have highlighted is to follow the expert guidance, not look for reasons to avoid doing so.

[melthebell 863]

 

1 hour ago, ivan edake said:

What I can't understand is the fact that the government puts all these measures in place then allows car boots to take place all over the country and also various demonstrations.Both these activities attract thousands of people who are all close together.I was also surprised that not only has Blackpool illuminations been allowed to take place they have been given a two month extension.Allowing these activities is a bad decision,small wonder youngsters organise booze ups and quite rightly think they have the right to organise a similar crowd mixing activity.

seems theres been a few protests around the country today by our friendly neighbourhood conspiracy nutcases

[onewheeldave 22]

45 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

 

The way to avoid the problems that you have highlighted is to follow the expert guidance, not look for reasons to avoid doing so.

The problems I'm highlighting are- "the mortality consequences of thousands of failed small businesses, mass unemployment, destruction of entire industries, the mental health consequences of tens of thousands being forced onto an inept and cruel benefits system, people dying from cancer because they could not access diagnosis or treatment."

 

Clearly, every single one of them will be a direct consequence of the lockdown measures and nothing else- the 'expert guidance' was the source of the lockdown. People need to question 'expert guidance' that leads to such consequences.

 

 

Edited September 19, 2020 by onewheeldave