Coronavirus - Part Two.

[ECCOnoob 1,020]

32 minutes ago, probedb said:

Finest minds and government in the same sentence  

 

They can't go as a group of 12, you could work in the same office as 12 people but then once you're outside you'd have to become two groups of 12....because, you know, that makes sense to someone, somewhere.

Yes it makes perfect sense unless you're some belligerent deliberately misinterpreting the rules to try and push some and anti-government agenda.

 

Those 12 people in the office are going to have individual desks with proper social distancing measures between employees and proper hygiene and other protections.  Many offices are also limiting the numbers of employees in at any one time. That is what most offices and businesses around the country are doing right now including my own.

 

That is very different to large groups of friends sat around together closenit in a pub or restaurant. It is also a very different environment when trying to control social distancing measures when you have people sat around casually drinking alcohol, consuming food and socialising. It is therefore obvious why restrictions have to apply to those social environments. 

 

This is about balance and the very fine line between crippling business and the economy and trying to minimise the spread of infection. They can't do right for doing wrong at the moment.  If they didn't introduce some restrictions given the increase in numbers of infections everyone would be moaning. Now they have introduced restrictions everyone is still moaning and even desprately finding all ways they can to push back and disregard them.

[Thirsty Relic 209]

Yes, the Government can be blamed for much, but these are exceptional times, and the press are not helping by criticising everything they do. 

 

"Eat out to help out" was backed by the press at the time, but to me was farcical.  My local KFC had a big offer on (9 pieces of chicken for £5.99 on Tuesdays), which always has a large takeup.  Despite us supposedly social distancing, people were allowed to sit in to eat at crowded tables for half of the £5.99 each!  As you can imagine, the place was full of kids, jostling and waiting for somewhere to sit.  What a contribution to the attempts to fight both Covid and obesity - half-price fast food paid for my the Government!

 

The press wanted us back at work and out in pubs and restaurants  - now they have it and we have the start of the 2nd spike.

 

 

 

 

[redruby 279]

3 hours ago, ECCOnoob said:

Yes it makes perfect sense unless you're some belligerent deliberately misinterpreting the rules to try and push some and anti-government agenda.

 

Those 12 people in the office are going to have individual desks with proper social distancing measures between employees and proper hygiene and other protections.  Many offices are also limiting the numbers of employees in at any one time. That is what most offices and businesses around the country are doing right now including my own.

 

That is very different to large groups of friends sat around together closenit in a pub or restaurant. It is also a very different environment when trying to control social distancing measures when you have people sat around casually drinking alcohol, consuming food and socialising. It is therefore obvious why restrictions have to apply to those social environments. 

 

This is about balance and the very fine line between crippling business and the economy and trying to minimise the spread of infection. They can't do right for doing wrong at the moment.  If they didn't introduce some restrictions given the increase in numbers of infections everyone would be moaning. Now they have introduced restrictions everyone is still moaning and even desprately finding all ways they can to push back and disregard them.

I agree up to point but think it is very unwise in the current situation to ‘encourage’ people back to workplaces if they can do their work at home. Whatever precautions are in places in offices it is still an indoor environment (more risky than meeting a group of friends outdoors), people are there for long periods of time and may have to use public transport. So maybe risk management could be argued for work where it essential to attend a workplace but I do believe a mass return to the workplace is too risky at this point in time.

[alchresearch 214]

1 hour ago, Thirsty Relic said:

"Eat out to help out" was backed by the press at the time, but to me was farcical.  My local KFC had a big offer on (9 pieces of chicken for £5.99 on Tuesdays), which always has a large takeup.  Despite us supposedly social distancing, people were allowed to sit in to eat at crowded tables for half of the £5.99 each!  As you can imagine, the place was full of kids, jostling and waiting for somewhere to sit.  What a contribution to the attempts to fight both Covid and obesity - half-price fast food paid for my the Government!

 

Yep, I noticed the same.  Restaurants had spaced tables, sanitiser, taking personal details and staff overseeing safe distancing.

My KFC had a doorman who just opened the door (inches away from you), no facemask, no gloves, no enforcing facemasks for customers.

The KFC staff wore no masks.

There were no clear routes of access or exit - and had you walking inches away from eating customers.

No distancing when stood waiting for your order

Customers with no masks on

[Pettytom 1]

55 minutes ago, alchresearch said:

Yep, I noticed the same.  Restaurants had spaced tables, sanitiser, taking personal details and staff overseeing safe distancing.

My KFC had a doorman who just opened the door (inches away from you), no facemask, no gloves, no enforcing facemasks for customers.

The KFC staff wore no masks.

There were no clear routes of access or exit - and had you walking inches away from eating customers.

No distancing when stood waiting for your order

Customers with no masks on

You’d be more at risk from the food in KFC, than from Covid.

[Waldo 96]

What was the anti-mask / Piers Corby protest in Sheffield all about? Looked like a bunch of low-IQ types being unruly, not wearing any masks and shouting abuse at police.

[PRESLEY 1,224]

Boris gets it wrong yet again, the ban on over six people social gathering will commence 14th sep Monday,  WHY NOT NOW,  there will be more chance of people  gathering this weekend  rather than Monday on wards,  Idiot ! 

[Thirsty Relic 209]

2 minutes ago, PRESLEY said:

Boris gets it wrong yet again, the ban on over six people social gathering will commence 14th sep Monday,  WHY NOT NOW,  there will be more chance of people  gathering this weekend  rather than Monday on wards,  Idiot ! 

On the face of it, yes.  What they had to consider though are factors such as shift workers coming off shift and being fined for something they could reasonably have no knowledge of.  They also had to alert the police, and get them ready for it.  You couldn't suddenly spring a new law out with no notice and expect people to know about it.  In the bigger picture, laws usually become law with a start date of months or years in the future.  Lets face it, we voted to leave the EU, the law was passed ages ago, yet was are still trying to enact it!

[PRESLEY 1,224]

1 minute ago, Thirsty Relic said:

On the face of it, yes.  What they had to consider though are factors such as shift workers coming off shift and being fined for something they could reasonably have no knowledge of.  They also had to alert the police, and get them ready for it.  You couldn't suddenly spring a new law out with no notice and expect people to know about it.  In the bigger picture, laws usually become law with a start date of months or years in the future.  Lets face it, we voted to leave the EU, the law was passed ages ago, yet was are still trying to enact it!

 Not that old chesnut its  only wednesday, my god there is enough media to get  the message out,  infact its been on the National news since last Saturday and every day since about the ban commencing at some stage,  dont worry Im not having a chip at this Goverment, Im on about the matter in hand, I would react the same  if Starmer was in power dropping clanger after clanger,  U turn after U turn, Laura kunesburge has just put Boris in his place for all this messing people about.  

[altus 538]

37 minutes ago, Waldo said:

What was the anti-mask / Piers Corby protest in Sheffield all about? Looked like a bunch of low-IQ types being unruly, not wearing any masks and shouting abuse at police.

Piers is a full on conspiracy theorist hanging out with people such as David Icke - Anti-lockdown, anti-vaccine and anti-mask protesters crowd London's Trafalgar Square. He's already been handed a £10,000 fine for his part in that demonstration in London.

[Thirsty Relic 209]

24 minutes ago, PRESLEY said:

 Not that old chesnut its  only wednesday, my god there is enough media to get  the message out,  infact its been on the National news since last Saturday and every day since about the ban commencing at some stage,  dont worry Im not having a chip at this Goverment, Im on about the matter in hand, I would react the same  if Starmer was in power dropping clanger after clanger,  U turn after U turn, Laura kunesburge has just put Boris in his place for all this messing people about.  

Apparently they've not finalised all the plans and small print yet, so it would be premature to start it before this weekend.  If they did, I can just see the masses of compo claims people would be throwing around "I did all this planning and expense for this weekend with less than 30 guests/travel/accommodation etc, now I've had to cancel, costing me ££££££££".  It's very rare actually for laws to be passed and come into effect in such short notice - it's usually months or even years before they are fully enacted.  This gives time for trade bodies to put training in place etc.  We're still arguing about how to enact the Brexit law for instance.

[ECCOnoob 1,020]

1 hour ago, PRESLEY said:

Boris gets it wrong yet again, the ban on over six people social gathering will commence 14th sep Monday,  WHY NOT NOW,  there will be more chance of people  gathering this weekend  rather than Monday on wards,  Idiot ! 

I would have thought it's very obvious. It's to give people time to adapt to the new rules. To finalise any exemptions or conflicts. To give businesses time to change any of their bookings or procedures or operations.

 

In other words, accommodating and responding to the barrage of complaints the government got last time they introduced a sudden rule change without sufficient notice which caught people out and everyone kicked off about. 

 

Seriously, who would be a politician these days.

Damned if you do damned if you don't..... doesn't even come close to what they face with this bunch of know-it-all public and their bloodthirsty media outlet supporters.

Edited September 9, 2020 by ECCOnoob