Albert the Cat 0 #277 Posted July 17, 2020 On 16/07/2020 at 07:23, Baron99 said: Early stage data from the vaccine trials of Oxford University & AstraZeneca collaboration are due next week. https://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKCN24G1BW Here's hoping that it's a step towards a possible vaccine? The Chinese are already deploying a vaccine for their military based on this; https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31208-3/fulltext?fbclid=IwAR3GDyLS9m4WZJNU42z9hv9hAHz_xwEY0fQ69hd-dLV69U2ZO-UR8o32JhQ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
the_bloke 17 #278 Posted July 17, 2020 More incompetence from PHE, as it emerges English deaths have been logged as Covid-19 even if the person has made a full recovery. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53443724 I wonder how many deaths in nursing homes have been wrongly attributed to Covid-19? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
petemcewan 27 #279 Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) I heard yesterday on the radio that "Challenge Vaccination Trials" for Covid-19 are being considered. Such a programme can speed up the introduction of a safe and effective vaccine. https://www.fredhutch.org/en/news/center-news/2020/06/covid-vaccine-challenge-trials.html Vaccine front runners https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/covid-19-vaccine-frontrunners-67382?utm_campaign=TS_DAILY NEWSLETTER_2020&utm_medium=email&_hs Edited July 18, 2020 by petemcewan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Longcol 604 #280 Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, the_bloke said: More incompetence from PHE, as it emerges English deaths have been logged as Covid-19 even if the person has made a full recovery. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53443724 I wonder how many deaths in nursing homes have been wrongly attributed to Covid-19? More to the point- how many deaths in nursing homes were caused by discharging untested patients from hospitals. And no matter about the technicalities of counting covid related deaths - the UK had the highest percentage excess deaths of any European country. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ECCOnoob 1,045 #281 Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Longcol said: More to the point- how many deaths in nursing homes were caused by discharging untested patients from hospitals. And no matter about the technicalities of counting covid related deaths - the UK had the highest percentage excess deaths of any European country. Actually I think you will find that those 'technicalities' you seem to disregard are very important in determining the relevance and context to what is deemed "highest percentage" and how it should be interpreted. If one country is including figures on all deaths on all circumstances on all people who coincidentally have the disease irrelevant of whether it was a direct cause vs another country who is only recording coronara deaths in a specific limited scenario on a Tuesday when the full moon is out....I think it is pretty arguable that they are deemed unfair comparisons. Add on the fact that this is an ongoing situation and there is new data coming out all the time - in my opinion it is far too early to start any sort of finger pointing and useless comparators Edited July 17, 2020 by ECCOnoob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
the_bloke 17 #282 Posted July 17, 2020 44 minutes ago, Longcol said: More to the point- how many deaths in nursing homes were caused by discharging untested patients from hospitals. And no matter about the technicalities of counting covid related deaths - the UK had the highest percentage excess deaths of any European country. Apart from Spain. https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/#z-scores-by-country Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
L00b 441 #283 Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) Am in agreement with ECCOnoob here, having changed my mind a bit about country comparisons, after witnessing how we have been red-lanterned by others (Belgium, Sweden -talk about hospitals mocking charity!) over a 2nd wave, only because we're mass-testing at the rate of 12+ in 1000, when most (all?) other EU countries are still only 'mass'-testing at 1+ per 1000, if that much. Edited July 17, 2020 by L00b Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
kezina 10 #284 Posted July 17, 2020 Hi all can anyone help I need to have some form of exemption for an elderly lady with severe breathing difficulties around wearing a mask in shops i have spoken to her go who are not giving any certificate or exemption I was told to visit government website but there isn’t any option to apply for anything like this? I am at a total loss and don’t know where else to ask any help would be gratefully received regards corrina Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
davyboy 19 #285 Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) On 15/07/2020 at 21:12, L00b said: The government is under self-imposed pressure to get things back to normal soonest, because after 3+ months of suspended economic activity, anticipated tax receipts must be looking a bit problematic. I can't see people shopping as they did before the lock down. Yesterday Mrs D and I went into Canterbury which is usually heaving with tourists, parties of foreign students and shoppers. The place was dead, a ghost town, all the little gift shops closed. Debenhams shut for good, M&S almost empty as was the big store Fenwicks. It was very sad. We were very apprehensive when we started from home but realised that things were not as usual when we drove into the carpark which was almost empty. Normally there were only two or three spaces available. Edited July 17, 2020 by davyboy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Baron99 798 #286 Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) Here you go to all the naysayers regarding wearing a face mask / covering. As the doctor says, "Stop making stuff up.... This is a lie made up as an excuse by those who believe the pandemic is a hoax and that wearing a mask somehow encroaches on their rights." https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/nhs-doctor-masks-oxygen-video-joshua-wolrich-a4499876.html Will you take some advice from someone on the front line? What am I thinking? Some of you will probably believe he's in on the mind / social control exercise? Edited July 17, 2020 by Baron99 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
redruby 279 #287 Posted July 17, 2020 But perhaps many of those people could have lived many more years in reasonable health managing their underlying health condition. “Underlying health condition” covers a wide spectrum of conditions many of which are not life limiting if managed properly. 23 minutes ago, Easy livin said: bbc radio 2 today jeremy vine 12:10 Ian duncan smith very very interesting his statement on there only 4% of those who died with covid 19 did not have underliening health problems. so. if there where 50,000 claimed deaths it only killed 2000 healthy people lets put that another way the uk, bankrupt. for a 1 in 33,000 chance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
El Cid 220 #288 Posted July 17, 2020 59 minutes ago, Easy livin said: bbc radio 2 today jeremy vine 12:10 Ian duncan smith very very interesting, his statement on there only 4% of those who died with covid 19 did not have underliening health problems. so. if there where 50,000 claimed deaths it only killed 2000 healthy people lets put that another way the uk, bankrupt. for a 1 in 33,000 chance. Lets put that another way. The Health Survey for England 2017 estimates that 28.7% of adults in England are obese and a further 35.6% are overweight, is that an underlying health condition? Cardiovascular disease, CVD affects around seven million people in the UK How many people in the UK have asthma? We found that 8 million people – over 12% of the population – have been diagnosed with asthma. That could be you, me or anyone, not just those in care homes. I do agree, its cost way too much money, but that is because we were not ready and we were too slow once we started to get ready. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...