Coronavirus - Part Two.

[Lex Luthor 10]

So, Sheffield is getting 'enhanced support'  as our numbers continue to rise.

 

A few weeks ago, when even our pathetic excuse for a national leader had begun to question the wisdom of his own policy on the wider opening of schools just yet, and was furiously back-pedalling (yet again); parents in Sheffield were waking up to letters from Sheffield's Director for Public Health, Greg Fell, and Sheffield's Cabinet Member for Education and Skills, Abtisam Mohamed, informing them that, in spite of the government's recent re-think, and in spite of other councils still refusing, they were pushing ahead with the wider opening of schools in Sheffield.  

 

When our local authority is even less cautious than our reckless leader, we have good reason to be concerned in Sheffield.  I will be keeping my letters in a safe place.

 

Of course, most children going back to school will probably be physically unscathed as a result of this local government decision.  However, it is not known how many others they will infect.  There will obviously be a need for more adults in schools, as more children are present, also impacting on local transmission.

 

If there's anyone still in doubt at how infectious Cv-19 is, then this one's for you:

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-super-spreader-woman-lift-infections-china-heilongjiang-a9615886.html

 

 

 

 

Edited July 14, 2020 by Lex Luthor

[Lex Luthor 10]

18 minutes ago, casualbystander said:

So we are going to be dictated to about face coverings then??? simply a comfort blanket for the anxious pretty much especially as it wont be compulsory in other places  like pubs, restaurants, gyms etc. what is the point in shops when most places have the plastic barriers anyway.

in any case the virus is not as widespread now and 98.5% of people recover without problem, so what is the point? it seems also to be a political decision to appease.

The point is that big businesses, who also happen to be Tory Party donors, won't have to bother with those pesky safety measures now, they'll be able to cram as many in as possible in their stores, and if you catch it, it will be your own fault.

[Baron99 795]

18 minutes ago, casualbystander said:

So we are going to be dictated to about face coverings then??? simply a comfort blanket for the anxious pretty much especially as it wont be compulsory in other places  like pubs, restaurants, gyms etc. what is the point in shops when most places have the plastic barriers anyway.

in any case the virus is not as widespread now and 98.5% of people recover without problem, so what is the point? it seems also to be a political decision to appease.

The average R rate across the UK is still running at 0.7 to 0.9 & because of lockdown & the precautions taken in the last 4 months or so, 94% of the UK population hasn't / has yet to be exposed to the virus. 

 

Substitute 'anxious' for 'responsible' & you might be on the right track. 

[Pettytom 1]

37 minutes ago, casualbystander said:

So we are going to be dictated to about face coverings then??? simply a comfort blanket for the anxious pretty much especially as it wont be compulsory in other places  like pubs, restaurants, gyms etc. what is the point in shops when most places have the plastic barriers anyway.

in any case the virus is not as widespread now and 98.5% of people recover without problem, so what is the point? it seems also to be a political decision to appease.

You have free will.

 

Nobody is forcing you to wear a face covering.

 

Thankfully, you will be compelled to wear one in shops, to help to protect others.

 

If you aren’t interested in helping to protect others, don’t wear a mask. And stay out of shops whilst the rest of us take a simple measure to stop the spread of a deadly virus.

[altus 540]

9 hours ago, makapaka said:

But you have to factor behaviour in.

 

people won’t bother to go to places as a consequence.

 

so it will have a massive impact on the economy.

There are also people who have been avoiding the shops because they are worried they'll catch Covid-19, even through the risk is very small, who will feel confident enough to visit them if everyone is wearing a mask, even if it is unlikely to make a difference in practice.

 

So I don't think it will have as big an effect on the economy as you think, it might even have the opposite effect.

[casualbystander 0]

dont worry everyone the virus is going to hide itself away until the 24th or 25th, so between now and then????? its ok? if it was so imperative they should have said from today??

[Pettytom 1]

6 minutes ago, casualbystander said:

dont worry everyone the virus is going to hide itself away until the 24th or 25th, so between now and then????? its ok? if it was so imperative they should have said from today??

Anyone with any regard for others is already wearing one.

[onewheeldave 22]

On 11/07/2020 at 07:31, Baron99 said:

I recall in the previous thread a number of comments, regarding  people not social distancing, directing their complaints, especially towards younger generation. 

 

Anybody notice on the tv news yesterday, the crowds, mainly people I'd say 60+ years old, not socially distancing, almost no face coverings worn, out in the streets, paying their respects at Vera Lynn's funeral? 

 

The very age groups that should be doing everything possible to protect themselves. 

Vera Lynn, World War II, civil liberty and attempts to take away civil liberty. The Elderly have every right to choose how they conduct their lives for the [probably] short time they have left, they lived through the last big attempt to take away everyone's civil liberty and many fought against it. They are also the very group most vulnerable to the virus, so, if they choose to not cower under masks, and even to be close to one another, that is their right.

On 11/07/2020 at 23:53, Pettytom said:

 

Whilst fools like you continue to be contrarian, the rest of us have our liberty curtailed.  I’m fed up of people like you affecting my life.
 

Seriously, have a good long think. And a look in the mirror.

You're choosing to curtail your 'liberty'. Worse, you're trying to impose your choices on those who have refused to comply with the erosions to civil liberty that have been imposed.

On 12/07/2020 at 00:30, Pettytom said:

 

 

And, yes. If many people disagree with you, it quite likely makes you wrong 

Truth is not remotely determined by popular opinion [think of World War II for one of many examples].

13 hours ago, Pettytom said:

 

 

You don’t need to wear one when eating, or drinking.

Really?

12 hours ago, makapaka said:

That’s handy.

 

10 hours ago, Dardandec said:

If you don't want to wear a mask that's fine, but the only way to combat covid at the moment is teamwork. If you don't want to be part of that team then that's fine also, just don't come here moaning in forty years about restrictions still being in place.

I indeed do not want to be part of that 'team'. As for restrictions, it's looking like global totalitarianism in well under 40 years

 

8 hours ago, janie48 said:

We British have a tendency to be too self-conscious about our appearence, and how we appear to others. 

I can be just as guilty, it's a form of vanity in a way. 

 

 

We British used to have a tendency to resist authoritarian bullying, sadly seems to have dissapeared now. Not wanting to be forced against our will to wear a mask is nothing to do with vanity. 

2 hours ago, Lex Luthor said:

No, it's a matter of life and death.

 

Not only in terms of contracting Cv-19.  Many have died being denied cancer treatment in this country and the list will get bigger until the virus is under control.

Many have been denied cancer treatment as well as treatment of many other conditions- as a result of the coronavirus measures/lockdown; there will be a lot of deaths over the next few years due soley to the lockdown. Children with terminal cancer have died unable to be visited by their families due to the measures. 

Edited July 14, 2020 by onewheeldave

[casualbystander 0]

pure and simple.

[Baron99 795]

37 minutes ago, onewheeldave said:

Vera Lynn, World War II, civil liberty and attempts to take away civil liberry. The Elderly have every right to choose how they conduct their lives for the [probably] short time they have left, they lived through the last big attempt to take away everyone's civil liberty and many fought against it. They are also the very group most vulnerable to the virus, so, if they choose to not cower under masks, and even to be close to one another, that is their right.

You're choosing to curtail your 'liberty'. Worse, you're trying to impose your choices on those who have refused to comply with the erosions to civil liberty that have been imposed.

Truth is not remotely determined by popular opinion [think of World War II for one of many examples].

Really?

I indeed do not want to be part of that 'team'. As for restrictions, it's looking like global totalitarianism in well under 40 years

 

We British used to have a tendency to resist authoritarian bullying, sadly seems to have dissapeared now. Not wanting to be forced against our will to wear a mask is nothing to do with vanity. 

Many have been denied cancer treatment as well as treatment of many other conditions- as a result of the coronavirus measures/lockdown; there will be a lot of deaths over the next few years due soley to the lockdown. Children with terminal cancer have died unable to be visited by their families due to the measures. 

You seem to want the virus to persist until it's eventual outcome, whereby its killed a large percentage of the population & the rest have caught it & have some prospect of gaining immunity?   Although the immunity aspect is definitely not been determined yet?  It looks like the anti-bodies don't last beyond a few months according to yesterday's news? 

 

What a strange thought?  You'd rather run the risk of dying than wear a simple face covering?

 

But as you say in reference to the numbers at Vera Lynn's funeral, it's your choice not to wear a face covering.  On the upside I guess is that none  of the responsible amongst us, run the risk of bumping into you in a shop. 

Edited July 14, 2020 by Baron99

[Pettytom 1]

7 minutes ago, casualbystander said:

pure and simple.

You have misunderstood the purpose of the face covering 

[Janus 28]

At the start of the pandemic we were either mislead, or given incorrect information about masks.