Coronavirus - Part Two.

[Baron99 778]

7 minutes ago, Becky B said:

Wasn't it originally thought to be unnecessary to be made mandatory (by the WHO) because social distancing and handwashing is more effective than masks?

And because wearing a mask gave people a false sense of security so they didn't follow other guidelines?

 

The masks will be most effective if used properly - not the way most people seem to be using them...

It's because the new findings show that really fine aerosol particles have now been found to hang in the air longer than first realised, rather than dropping to the ground.  This is really a problem for enclosed areas. 

 

As for people not wearing face coverings correctly?  How many times do you see people wearing a mask /  covering that's not also covering their nose?

[El Cid 212]

1 hour ago, Baron99 said:

It's because the new findings show that really fine aerosol particles have now been found to hang in the air longer than first realised, rather than dropping to the ground.  This is really a problem for enclosed areas.

But a bog standard face covering would not filter out these particles?

[Baron99 778]

15 minutes ago, El Cid said:

But a bog standard face covering would not filter out these particles?

No they probably won't but they might reduce the chance, mainly of the wearer, passing any infection on to other. 

 

One of the independent SAGE scientists reckons that if we carry on as we are, then we l'll probably see a second wave this winter? 

 

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-07-08/top-scientist-warns-of-winter-coronavirus-second-wave-as-lockdown-eases

[Guest makapaka]

16 minutes ago, El Cid said:

But a bog standard face covering would not filter out these particles?

No it wouldn’t. Its crazy. 

 

If they do become compulsory - aside from the essential supermarket trip - I won’t be going anywhere other than home, work and the supermarket for the foreseeable. 
 

depressing. 

[Albert the Cat 0]

12 hours ago, Baron99 said:

There are apparently 120 early vaccine developments worldwide with 13 now in clinical trials, including 2 in the UK from Oxford Uni & Imperial College London. 

 

Presumably the last 2 are ours in the UK.  Rather than turning this into some Brexit issue, I think what we should be focusing on is that at worst, none of them will work or at best, it'll be next year before we get one that will. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-53061288#aoh=15944141467441&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s

You're missing the far bigger picture. The nationality of a pharma company doesn't compel them to make vaccines of said country as a priority. GSK and Sanofi have already said that they are prioritising capacity to the US because they are at a commercial advantage. AstraZeneca signing the contract with the EU is also due to more favourable commercial terms. 

34 minutes ago, makapaka said:

No it wouldn’t. Its crazy. 

 

If they do become compulsory - aside from the essential supermarket trip - I won’t be going anywhere other than home, work and the supermarket for the foreseeable. 
 

depressing. 

People like you are the problem. A face covering that is not N95 rated is still of benefit because any coughing and distribution of viral droplets would be constrained to within a smaller area. It isn't just about you. Your selfish attitude stinks. 

 

It isn't a coincidence where countries that the have mandated face coverings have recovered quicker and more effectively than those that have not. 

[Albert the Cat 0]

13 hours ago, makapaka said:

I agree.

 

if the reports are to be believed we’ve done ok so far in the early development stage.

 

 

Who have done OK exactly? What evidence have you got that the vaccines would have priority for the UK population?

 

AstraZeneca is prioritising their manufacture for the EU. GSK and Sanofi are prioritising the US. That leaves who exactly?

[Guest makapaka]

19 minutes ago, Albert the Cat said:

It isn't just about you. Your selfish attitude stinks. 

What’s selfish about not going to places at all - and therefore providing zero risk to others?

 

not risk mitigated by a mask -  no risk.

 

you’re talking nonsense.

14 minutes ago, Albert the Cat said:

Who have done OK exactly?

The Oxford vaccine is looking promising by all accounts. As I said before I don’t think a vaccine is going to ready in time to impact this virus anyway.  

[Baron99 778]

5 hours ago, Albert the Cat said:

Who have done OK exactly? What evidence have you got that the vaccines would have priority for the UK population?

 

AstraZeneca is prioritising their manufacture for the EU. GSK and Sanofi are prioritising the US. That leaves who exactly?

Well that's strange?  Maybe you should recheck your source regarding AstraZeneca.  They're teamed up with Oxford Uni. 

 

https://www.ft.com/content/ddf8ec8c-dc30-43b3-847e-c412704a0296

 

And the UK gets priority for any vaccine. 

 

And for those who can't get through The Times pay wall? 

 

https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-centre/press-releases/2020/astrazeneca-to-supply-europe-with-up-to-400-million-doses-of-oxford-universitys-vaccine-at-no-profit.html

 

The Company has recently completed similar agreements with the UK, US, the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations and Gavi the Vaccine Alliance for 700 million doses, and it agreed a licence with the Serum Institute of India for the supply of an additional one billion doses, principally for low- and middle-income countries. Total manufacturing capacity currently stands at two billion doses.

 

AstraZeneca have signed tbe agreements with the UK AND basically, as a separate agreement, the other main European countries. 

 

There are no issues, other than can we get a viable vaccine & when can we get it?

 

There's certainly no 'Brexit angle' to any of this which you eluded to in an earlier post. 

 

 

 

Edited July 11, 2020 by Baron99

[Becky B 31]

7 hours ago, Baron99 said:

It's because the new findings show that really fine aerosol particles have now been found to hang in the air longer than first realised, rather than dropping to the ground.  This is really a problem for enclosed areas. 

 

As for people not wearing face coverings correctly?  How many times do you see people wearing a mask /  covering that's not also covering their nose?

Every day?  I see people with it just over their mouth, or hanging under the chin (often so they can have a fag!).

People constantly touching the face covering, so anything that's on there gets transferred to their hands.  Using a face covering properly includes how you take it on and off...

[tinfoilhat 11]

57 minutes ago, Becky B said:

Every day?  I see people with it just over their mouth, or hanging under the chin (often so they can have a fag!).

People constantly touching the face covering, so anything that's on there gets transferred to their hands.  Using a face covering properly includes how you take it on and off...

The government need to be making more noise about this. It’s pointless wearing a mask if you aren’t to wear it properly and keeping jabbing at your face with grubby fingers.

[iansheff 86]

So it is looking like face masks are going to  be compulsory, why has he waited this long?

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-make-facemasks-compulsory-22340073

[Pettytom 1]

You might all want to get your face coverings sorted. Anyone who thinks that this is over, is poorly informed.
 

According to the Guardian, Sheffield is an area of concern at the moment. 
 

Local lockdown anyone?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/11/revealed-20-areas-at-most-risk-of-local-lockdowns?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other