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4 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

Here we go, yet another attempted thread hijack to push the idea of a “modern” committee system.
 

Care to point us to ant other major city where it is working? 

 

Would the makeup of a committee not reflect the political balance in the council, so the majority party would get a vote through if they wanted to?

 

Are you suggesting that the representatives that the people of Sheffield elect aren’t sensible?
 

Whichever system you get, it is run by politicians, who make decisions for political reasons.

I think that you have done your share of thread hi jacking.

Its about the logic and suitability of a hastily enacted scheme using public money.

You have defended the system that enabled it and passed responsibility to national and local politicians.

Asking sensible people to make sensible decisions is a reasonable view.

So strictly on the thread topic do you agree that it was a misguided waste of public money?

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Regarding the committee system, the majority party would not always get a vote through as the majority of councilors are not sheep, they are elected representatives who are quite sensible,(unlike some, or at least one, in the planning department---See Shalesmoor Fiasco).

 

 

 

 

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37 minutes ago, RJRB said:

I think that you have done your share of thread hi jacking.

Its about the logic and suitability of a hastily enacted scheme using public money.

You have defended the system that enabled it and passed responsibility to national and local politicians.

Asking sensible people to make sensible decisions is a reasonable view.

So strictly on the thread topic do you agree that it was a misguided waste of public money?

That sounds a bit like them being thrown under the bus to Me. 

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49 minutes ago, busdriver1 said:

That sounds a bit like them being thrown under the bus to Me. 

Not going to argue with a bus driver.

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2 hours ago, busdriver1 said:

That sounds a bit like them being thrown under the bus to Me. 

How does a politician making their own decision equate to being thrown under a bus?

2 hours ago, Gligs said:

Regarding the committee system, the majority party would not always get a vote through as the majority of councilors are not sheep, they are elected representatives who are quite sensible,(unlike some, or at least one, in the planning department---See Shalesmoor Fiasco).

 

 

 

 

You don’t understand how political parties work do you? They have a whip system, just like the parliamentary party and anything important will get voted through by the majority party.

 

And you haven’t pointed to a major city where your committee system has been implemented. Where has it been implemented?

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Planners ......not a clue ....still living in a dream world ....waste of time and a waste of money ...who ever the money came from ...would have been better giving away free bus fares ....for who ever wanted it ....

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Stupid idea by a stupid council finally being removed and a stupid explanation to boot enough said 

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3 hours ago, Planner1 said:

How does a politician making their own decision equate to being thrown under a bus?

You don’t understand how political parties work do you? They have a whip system, just like the parliamentary party and anything important will get voted through by the majority party.

 

And you haven’t pointed to a major city where your committee system has been implemented. Where has it been implemented?

Now what were you saying about hi jacking a thread.

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What I'd like to know, and hopefully Planner1 will be able to help here, is what metrics SCC have been measuring during the trial (ie number of cyclists using the lane, reduction in vehicular transport as a result of greater cycle use, impact on traffic flow, journey times etc) and what criteria would have to be met for it to be declared a success.

 

Specifically what outcomes, agreed before the trial would need to be seen for SCC  to make the cycle lane permanent.

 

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@NewBizYou're 'avin a larf, aren't you - there was NO forward planning or measurement scheduled, it was a hasty, ill-conceived idea from the off, and even Planner1 won't be able to wriggle away from that - although it isn't really up to him to do so as he wasn't involved in it.

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14 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

@NewBizYou're 'avin a larf, aren't you - there was NO forward planning or measurement scheduled, it was a hasty, ill-conceived idea from the off, and even Planner1 won't be able to wriggle away from that - although it isn't really up to him to do so as he wasn't involved in it.

Surely any organisation fit to be in charge of public funds has a clear set of criteria by which they measure the merits or otherwise of any proposed schemes? 

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Just now, NewBiz said:

Surely any organisation fit to be in charge of public funds has a clear set of criteria by which they measure the merits or otherwise of any proposed schemes? 

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