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1 hour ago, Gligs said:

I cycled through it before and since the closures, not really any different to what it is now from a cycling perspective, bla, bla, bla.......

It's very different, cyclists can now use the road in safety

56 minutes ago, the_bloke said:

Still working well.

 

 

There is a truck apparently parked on the cycle lane? Which was blocking the fire engine.

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1 hour ago, Resident said:

All that wonderful access for bus & coach users.

 

Oh wait there's no interchange in the plan .....

Yes there is.

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1 hour ago, onewheeldave said:

It's very different, cyclists can now use the road in safety

There is a truck apparently parked on the cycle lane? Which was blocking the fire engine.

Which most likely wouldn't have happened with two lanes of traffic.

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1 minute ago, the_bloke said:

Which most likely wouldn't have happened with two lanes of traffic.

And the fire engine wouldn't have been blocked if a truck wasn't parked in the cycle lane. As others have mentioned, a wide cycle lane where cars aren't allowed would be an excellent resource for emergency vehicles as they would be able to get to the emergency very quickly, without the usual delays waiting for cars to shift.

 

Unless of course, a motor vehicle parks in them illegally. 

 

And this highlights why blocks were placed- if cars aren't prevented by physical means, they will end up in the cycle lane.

 

So, to be clear, in this situation the fire engine was stalled by a truck parked illegally in the cycle lane.

 

If there was no cycle lane, the fire engine would probably have got through quicker, but still have been delayed by the cars in the two lanes moving to the side.

 

However, the quickest of all would have been one lane of traffic and a cycle lane, lacking the illegally parked truck- the fire engine would have whizzed by on the cycle path without any cars having to move to the side.

 

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How does a fire engine access the cycle lane, is it a case of physically moving the bollards, then moving them back again before setting off, and repeat at the other end?

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4 minutes ago, carosio said:

How does a fire engine access the cycle lane, is it a case of physically moving the bollards, then moving them back again before setting off, and repeat at the other end?

 

There are several sections of the path, like the one in the video, where there are no bollards, so at that point the fire engine wouldn't have to stop and move anything- it was blocked soley by the parked truck.

 

If the engine had entered at the start where there are bollards, then yes, it would have to move them- not at the other end though, as the cycle path merges into the road.

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1 hour ago, onewheeldave said:

 

And the fire engine wouldn't have been blocked if a truck wasn't parked in the cycle lane. As others have mentioned, a wide cycle lane where cars aren't allowed would be an excellent resource for emergency vehicles as they would be able to get to the emergency very quickly, without the usual delays waiting for cars to shift.

 

Unless of course, a motor vehicle parks in them illegally. 

 

And this highlights why blocks were placed- if cars aren't prevented by physical means, they will end up in the cycle lane.

 

So, to be clear, in this situation the fire engine was stalled by a truck parked illegally in the cycle lane.

 

If there was no cycle lane, the fire engine would probably have got through quicker, but still have been delayed by the cars in the two lanes moving to the side.

 

However, the quickest of all would have been one lane of traffic and a cycle lane, lacking the illegally parked truck- the fire engine would have whizzed by on the cycle path without any cars having to move to the side.

 

Your definition of parking is different to mine. Perhaps you don't drive.

 

The van has a driver in it, isn't anywhere near the kerb and the driver has his foot on the brake (the brake lights are on, they are off when he pulls away). Quite possible that the van driver was sat there thinking 'where the hell am I supposed to go, I've a line of cones 10 feet in front of me'.  As a driver, it looks to me like he pulled in to the left in the gap between the barriers to get out the way then managed to find himself still in it. The Golf also did the same thing but with a bit more common sense.

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Its been mentioned that yet again there were NO cycles in the cycle lane.  Now we were promised that there would be a massive increase n cycle use now that that lane has been created.  Where are they, surely this claim wasnt a lie????

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8 hours ago, Gligs said:

 

Only Sheffield council could use social distancing as an excuse to push through a road closure scheme.

Well no actually. Councils across the country are doing very similar things, because the government told them to and gave them the money to do it.

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7 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

Well no actually. Councils across the country are doing very similar things, because the government told them to and gave them the money to do it.

The general policy is a government backed scheme,but one would hope that the available money would be used wisely.

Similar “things “would no doubt include some good schemes and some like the one that is being heavily criticised on here.

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2 hours ago, Planner1 said:

Well no actually. Councils across the country are doing very similar things, because the government told them to and gave them the money to do it.

You may be correct but the other cities at least have found a way to let traffic flow.

Ive seen an Ambulance trying to get through this traffic twice now and cars cant move out of the way! Meanwhile very few cycles, I dread to think how badly the person waiting on the medics could wait!

 

Its causing more pollution with all the hold ups but maybe this is the Councils plan to have high readings to justify more traffic restrictions. 

 

I go all over the UK and SCC are probably the worse at organizing just about anything, all that time they spent choosing AMEY for the RAS and our roads are crumbling after a few years because the work is absolutely shocking.

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7 hours ago, Taximark said:

 

Its causing more pollution with all the hold ups but maybe this is the Councils plan to have high readings to justify more traffic restrictions. 

The readings are already sufficient to justify the imposition of a Clean Air Zone (CAZ), so it’s  nonsense to suggest they are putting in this measure to justify it.

7 hours ago, Taximark said:

 all that time they spent choosing AMEY for the RAS and our roads are crumbling after a few years because the work is absolutely shocking.

And Amey have to put it right at their own expense and maintain it to the agreed standard, so any lack of quality is Amey’s problem.

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