Sheff Council - Shalesmoor Road Layout

[Planner1 428]

4 minutes ago, Brooker11 said:

Are they being removed tomorrow then as they are already causing issues.

Ask your councillors.

 

Taking away capacity is likely to increase journey times at busy traffic times. That won't be unexpected.

[Brooker11 10]

12 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

Ask your councillors.

 

Taking away capacity is likely to increase journey times at busy traffic times. That won't be unexpected.

We are just coming out of lockdown traffic capacity is well down from normal levels and the new layout cannot cope, it couldn't cope with normal traffic levels and all lanes available, it was obvious what would happen, this will cause chaos.

Edited July 8, 2020 by Brooker11

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16 minutes ago, Brooker11 said:

We are just coming out of lockdown traffic capacity is well down from normal levels and the new layout cannot cope, it couldn't cope with normal traffic levels and all lanes available, it was obvious what would happen, this will cause chaos.

It's just as likely a scenario that once people get used to it being there, those who don't want to queue will go another way, so problems will lessen.

[Brooker11 10]

10 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

It's just as likely a scenario that once people get used to it being there, those who don't want to queue will go another way, so problems will lessen.

I travel on that stretch of road quite regularly, its horrendous at peak times, very busy through the day, if there were other ways to go people would have already found them, its already bottle neck that stretches back to the Parkway and will now be far worse.

[ECCOnoob 1,020]

7 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

It's just as likely a scenario that once people get used to it being there, those who don't want to queue will go another way, so problems will lessen.

There shouldn't be a necessity for people to go another way if it wasn't for the moronic planning decisions such as this.

 

This road is supposed to be a purpose built arterial traffic route to get people around the city centre instead of through it.   That is what it was designed for and that is what all the money was spent on improving it was for. 

 

Yes great people can go another way resulting in them clogging up one-way systems and single carriageway smaller roads which were not designed for high-volume and roads for which the supposedly heavy infrastructure was supposed to get people away from in the first place.

 

Absolute genius.

 

Using that type of mentality how long is it before they propose 'discouraging' people from using the M1 by shoving them off and onto small roads around a housing estate. 

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22 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

There shouldn't be a necessity for people to go another way if it wasn't for the moronic planning decisions such as this.

 

This road is supposed to be a purpose built arterial traffic route to get people around the city centre instead of through it.   That is what it was designed for and that is what all the money was spent on improving it was for. 

 

Yes great people can go another way resulting in them clogging up one-way systems and single carriageway smaller roads which were not designed for high-volume and roads for which the supposedly heavy infrastructure was supposed to get people away from in the first place.

 

Absolute genius.

 

Using that type of mentality how long is it before they propose 'discouraging' people from using the M1 by shoving them off and onto small roads around a housing estate. 

You have a very short sighted view. You need to put on your council glasses and it will become clear that this is a fantastic idea. 

Just a shame council glasses are not available to the general population. You know those that live in the real world outside council utopia 

[Planner1 428]

9 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

There shouldn't be a necessity for people to go another way if it wasn't for the moronic planning decisions such as this.

 

This road is supposed to be a purpose built arterial traffic route to get people around the city centre instead of through it.   That is what it was designed for and that is what all the money was spent on improving it was for. 

 

Yes great people can go another way resulting in them clogging up one-way systems and single carriageway smaller roads which were not designed for high-volume and roads for which the supposedly heavy infrastructure was supposed to get people away from in the first place.

 

Absolute genius.

 

Using that type of mentality how long is it before they propose 'discouraging' people from using the M1 by shoving them off and onto small roads around a housing estate. 

Lets not get carried away. They've taken out a lane on one stretch of  a multi lane road as a temporary measure at a time when traffic is not at normal levels.

 

There's no suggestion of it happening more widely, or motorways being reduced in capacity.

 

The improvements that were made at Bridgehouses are permanent works which are still there and will be helping if traffic in the area is busy. On the grand scale of things, the recent improvements weren't that costly.  Remember this cycle lane is temporary, they are trying something out and it can all be taken away as easily as it was put out.

 

It isn't the end of the world as we know it and I genuinely doubt we are going to see the wider road network flooded with  diverting traffic as you suggest. More traffic might use alternative routes, but traffic levels are still lighter than normal, so is that a real problem?

 

What they are doing here is entirely in line with adopted transport policy at all levels. The general thrust of transport policy in this country is now towards encouraging and supporting active travel modes.  National and local government want to bring about a step change in the way people travel. That won't happen without some turbulence. You've heard the saying, you can't cook an omelette without cracking a few eggs. I'm sure the decision makers are expecting some kick back.

 

These things are political decisions, taken by your elected representatives. The relevant Cabinet Member's contact detail have been published on here. You're clearly upset by it, so I'd expect you'd be letting the elected Members (and the Government) know. 

 

 

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3 hours ago, makapaka said:

Sorry this is rubbish.

 

we aren’t taking about a stretch of road built in the 60s that needs adapting to cater for cyclists. 
 

this is a new ring road of which one of the main sections under discussion has literally just been completed to improve traffic for cars and cycles.

 

all that research, design, implementation has been completely changed overnight and apparently is no longer adequate.

 

what studies have been done as to whether this current arrangement is effective or if it is even needed?

 

Stop asking awkward questions, don't you know that it's all central government's fault. They gave the money to SCC to do this. Now SCC didn't have to take it but they did. But they DEFINITELY are NOT to blame. Planner1 said so.

 

Riiiight.

[nightrider 13]

3 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

Lets not get carried away. They've taken out a lane on one stretch of  a multi lane road as a temporary measure at a time when traffic is not at normal levels.

 

There's no suggestion of it happening more widely, or motorways being reduced in capacity.

 

The improvements that were made at Bridgehouses are permanent works which are still there and will be helping if traffic in the area is busy. On the grand scale of things, the recent improvements weren't that costly.  Remember this cycle lane is temporary, they are trying something out and it can all be taken away as easily as it was put out.

 

It isn't the end of the world as we know it and I genuinely doubt we are going to see the wider road network flooded with  diverting traffic as you suggest. More traffic might use alternative routes, but traffic levels are still lighter than normal, so is that a real problem?

 

What they are doing here is entirely in line with adopted transport policy at all levels. The general thrust of transport policy in this country is now towards encouraging and supporting active travel modes.  National and local government want to bring about a step change in the way people travel. That won't happen without some turbulence. You've heard the saying, you can't cook an omelette without cracking a few eggs. I'm sure the decision makers are expecting some kick back.

 

 

 

 

All the arguments seen in this thread were made in the Netherlands in the 1970's when it was car-centric.

Edited July 8, 2020 by nightrider

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3 hours ago, makapaka said:

 

 

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1 hour ago, Planner1 said:

The money the council have used for this project has been specifically given to them by the government for measures like this to help cycling and walking.  They could not spend it on other projects.

A lot of the money councils get for transport measures is like that, it must be spent on the specific things it's given for.

 

Penistone Rd speed limit would cost a lot to change because the detection equipment requirements at traffic signals are more onerous  (and costly) on 40mph roads than they are on 30 mph ones. Other things like safety barriers, street lighting, protection for street furniture all get more onerous and costly the higher the speed limit goes. There is far more to it than just changing a few signs

Nonsense and as someone involved in the highway industry you very well know that.  Or you ought to. On roads with a speed limit of 50mph and higher that is the case. It is a blatant falsehood to say this is the case at 40.

 

Define the extra equipment and thus costs for detection equipment on a 40 road as opposed to a 30. An extra set of loops? A detector with slightly more range? Peanuts over it's lifespan. You need to stop throwing the "It's too expensive, we can't afford it" excuse out there, it shows a complete lack of foresight if that is the attitude of council officers.

1 hour ago, Brooker11 said:

Are the government aware its been totally wasted?

Well said.

[Dggsheffield 10]

What a waste of time effort and money I have been on the road 6 times in last few days and seen one cyclist using it .

this is the final straw for me I won’t be queuing to spend my money in Sheffield city center shops  pubs restaurants or cafes.

 I would now rather go to Barnsley or Leeds 

you don’t need covid to kill off the city center retail and hospitality just leave it to scc planners