Sheff Council - Shalesmoor Road Layout

[Colin Foster 70]

Complete chaos today and yesterday. Sheer genius!

[Guest makapaka]

47 minutes ago, onewheeldave said:

We give antibiotics to people with serious infections because they've been generally shown to kill infections in people. We don't insist on a study on a specific individual before giving him/her the antibiotic- it's not necessary, and, he/she would die of the infection well before the study could be completed.

What nonsense.

 

youre talking about a section of the ring road that leads to the main arterial route out of the city that has been reviewed and remodelled in the last year and over night has been arbitrarily compromised with no review, assessment or feasibility study.

 

not the treatment of the ill.

 

you may as well just plonk red and whites on every road in the city and cite a wikipedia reference in support.

 

no ones should say you don’t have a point in encouraging a reduction in car use in general / but this situation is indefensible.

Edited July 8, 2020 by makapaka

[Weredoomed 10]

1 minute ago, RJRB said:

And you peddling (pedalling) a pipe dream.

Lovely weather today for a bike commute home as you come off the night shift.

It would be interesting to see how much of SCC's highways budget is spent per head on the drivers of motorised vehicles as opposed to cyclists. I'd have a wild stab in the dark that the cyclists get more spent on them individually than motorised vehicle drivers do.

 

The (inconvenient/uncomfortable) facts for SCC as far a bike usage goes is that as a proportion of the daily commute, cyclists are a tiny fraction of the whole and don't justify the amount of effort SCC put into catering for them. 

[Brooker11 10]

We have 30 employees and non would be able to cycle to work for differing reasons, we have absolutely no chance of providing showers if a percentage of these did, this is 30 people that are now going to be held up in an SCC created bottleneck at least once a week, total and utter madness.

[Guest makapaka]

1 minute ago, Brooker11 said:

We have 30 employees and non would be able to cycle to work for differing reasons, we have absolutely no chance of providing showers if a percentage of these did, this is 30 people that are now going to be held up in an SCC created bottleneck at least once a week, total and utter madness.

For most - cycling to work is a pipe dream.

 

we’re a city of nigh on 600,000 people, a good proportion of that have to travel significant distances either across the city or out of the city.

 

if you can cycle to work all the best and it’s a good idea - it should be made as easy as possible - we are not a city that has a central work base where everyone can do it.

 

most of us need to drive. 

 

[Planner1 428]

15 minutes ago, RJRB said:

When you say lots,how many do you reckon as a proportion of the work force.

I worked in a company employing a few hundred and one person occasionally used a bike if the weather was nice.

How many bikes do you see secured at the supermarket as people go shopping.

What is the demand for bike racks.

How many kids cycle to school.

You are advancing an argument on the flimsiest of evidence.

I know Tebbit said get on your bike to find work,but I think he was speaking figuratively.

In reality it’s hard for your average tradesman to carrythe tools of his trade in a pannier,and he can’t make many calls in a day.

So you start asking me for stats when you kick off the discussion with your anecdotal, unquantified observations??

 

Check the national travel survey if you want stats: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/821842/walking-and-cycling-statistics-2018-accessible.pdf

 

As you’re introducing the “average tradesman” into the argument, do enlighten us on the actual proportion of daily trips made by these “ average tradesmen” compared to the overall numbers. 

[onewheeldave 22]

38 minutes ago, Weredoomed said:

They? Who are they? I can't help but wonder what anti-car argument will be put forward when all cars are not petrol/diesel powered? The "They're killing the planet" won't wash then.

Electric cars are only as green as the source of the electricity they use- much of that is produced from coal and oil. The harm done to public health from sedentary car use [obesity, type II diabetes, heart disease etc] is as great from electric cars as it is from petrol/diesel. That's 2 to be going on with.

40 minutes ago, RJRB said:

 

So a spin along Penistone Road and Shalesmoor will not suit even most cyclists.

A complete misjudgement has been made and a white elephant has been created.

There are plenty of cyclists along Penistone road and Shalesmoor.

6 minutes ago, makapaka said:

For most - cycling to work is a pipe dream.

 

we’re a city of nigh on 600,000 people, a good proportion of that have to travel significant distances either across the city or out of the city.

 

if you can cycle to work all the best and it’s a good idea - it should be made as easy as possible - we are not a city that has a central work base where everyone can do it.

 

most of us need to drive. 

 

If the roads were safe for cyclists i.e. dedicated well designed cycle paths [not strips of paint at the edge of the road] with no cars sharing them, many more would cycle to work. Also, either financial incentives for employers to install showers, or, legislation to require showers, would help a lot.

Edited July 8, 2020 by onewheeldave

[Planner1 428]

24 minutes ago, Weredoomed said:

I'm not pushing council propaganda either.

And is telling porkies an effective counter to this “propaganda”? Or does it mean you’ve lost the argument.?

[Longcol 598]

8 minutes ago, makapaka said:

For most - cycling to work is a pipe dream.

 

we’re a city of nigh on 600,000 people, a good proportion of that have to travel significant distances either across the city or out of the city.

 

if you can cycle to work all the best and it’s a good idea - it should be made as easy as possible - we are not a city that has a central work base where everyone can do it.

 

most of us need to drive. 

 

Then why at morning rush hour are the vast majority headed into the city centre? Same as most cities in the world.

[RJRB 688]

22 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

So you start asking me for stats when you kick off the discussion with your anecdotal, unquantified observations??

 

Check the national travel survey if you want stats: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/821842/walking-and-cycling-statistics-2018-accessible.pdf

 

As you’re introducing the “average tradesman” into the argument, do enlighten us on the actual proportion of daily trips made by these “ average tradesmen” compared to the overall numbers. 

That’s a fulsome document that needs some analysis but just selecting one I don’t for one minute that in Sheffield 36% of bike riding is commuting and 35% is for leisure.

Im not sure what the missing 29% is for .

The  average tradesman is the multiplicity of self employed who travel round delivering ,plumbers,electricians,window cleaners,window fitters,window cleaners etc.etc. etc whose workplace is their vehicle.

And as I said it’s a lovely Summers night to cycle home don’t you think?

11 minutes ago, Longcol said:

Then why at morning rush hour are the vast majority headed into the city centre? Same as most cities in the world.

We are talking about an important section of arterial road here which most vehicles use to by pass the city centre to get to The Parkway orthe east end of Sheffield.

Edited July 8, 2020 by RJRB

[Brooker11 10]

18 minutes ago, onewheeldave said:

Electric cars are only as green as the source of the electricity they use- much of that is produced from coal and oil. The harm done to public health from sedentary car use [obesity, type II diabetes, heart disease etc] is as great from electric cars as it is from petrol/diesel. That's 2 to be going on with.

There are plenty of cyclists along Penistone road and Shalesmoor.

If the roads were safe for cyclists i.e. dedicated well designed cycle paths [not strips of paint at the edge of the road] with no cars sharing them, many more would cycle to work. Also, either financial incentives for employers to install showers, or, legislation to require showers, would help a lot.

Installing showers in some premises isn't feasible, ours has absolutely nowhere that even a single shower cubicle could be installed and there are many that are the same, when you have your no vehicle utopia who is going to repair your shower when it stops working? 😆

[cytine 40]

13 minutes ago, makapaka said:

For most - cycling to work is a pipe dream.

 

we’re a city of nigh on 600,000 people, a good proportion of that have to travel significant distances either across the city or out of the city.

 

if you can cycle to work all the best and it’s a good idea - it should be made as easy as possible - we are not a city that has a central work base where everyone can do it.

 

most of us need to drive. 

 

Of course people need to drive, lots of businesses/services including council services have closed local facilities and have centralised. So we have to travel. Bus services are poor, unreliable and expensive. Cycling is not an option for many people especially those working out of town. At a time when businesses are struggling our stupid council spend money that they supposedly don't have on ridiculous schemes like this. Sheffield Council's Anti motorist crusade goes on regardless.