Owls Legal Fight Starts - Decision 12 Point Deduction 31/07/20

[Grappler 12]

On 17/07/2020 at 22:13, Brooker11 said:

The exact opposite has been true with Wigan.

So the owner who is the only debtor would go into administration so he'd lose all his own money? 😂

Wigan - true, but isn't it the case there that their owner has put (or is putting) them into administration? And EFL rules are that this would automatically be a 12 points deduction, which all members of the EFL know.  Not much chance of the EFL hiding that one.

[NERVY-OWL 195]

8 hours ago, cmonkes said:

Bring on that point deduction EFL!! Cheats shouldn't prosper!!....how can  team who create fake companies as sponsors, plead to be innocent? 

 

Make an example of them and deter others.

Unless you have an inside take on the hearing you don't know that. The fake companies thing was allowed, it's the ground the EFL are saying wasn't right. None of us know what evidence either side have. If it's proven then fair enough we deserve it but nothings proven yet.

 

[Grappler 12]

44 minutes ago, NERVY-OWL said:

Unless you have an inside take on the hearing you don't know that. The fake companies thing was allowed, it's the ground the EFL are saying wasn't right. None of us know what evidence either side have. If it's proven then fair enough we deserve it but nothings proven yet.

 

I think everyone knows what the evidence is Nervy?, it's a case of what the punishment is that no one knows, except those on the panel, deciding it. 

[Brooker11 10]

1 hour ago, Grappler said:

Wigan - true, but isn't it the case there that their owner has put (or is putting) them into administration? And EFL rules are that this would automatically be a 12 points deduction, which all members of the EFL know.  Not much chance of the EFL hiding that one.

Wigan are currently appealing the deduction as the guy that the EFL sanctioned to take over the club should never have passed a fit and proper persons test in a million years, the EFL is making a complete mess of things.

[bassett one 451]

if we lost 12 points that would send us down ,then we would appeal,luton i cannot work out in the way someone pays 40 million,then they go bancrupt,that doesnt make sense,then is there not other clubs in wednesdays position?,the whole lot is a mess by the FA,and we still await our fate and others await theres ,nonsense to say the least.

[NERVY-OWL 195]

1 hour ago, Grappler said:

I think everyone knows what the evidence is Nervy?, it's a case of what the punishment is that no one knows, except those on the panel, deciding it. 

Ok I'll rephrase that. No one knows what evidence Wednesday have to say it was ok by the EFL. We know roughly what the EFL has to say about it. 

My point is no one knows what's been decided or is it a case of the EFL have said we've done wrong so that should be end of it and take whatever punishment? 

15 minutes ago, bassett one said:

if we lost 12 points that would send us down ,then we would appeal,luton i cannot work out in the way someone pays 40 million,then they go bancrupt,that doesnt make sense,then is there not other clubs in wednesdays position?,the whole lot is a mess by the FA,and we still await our fate and others await theres ,nonsense to say the least.

Less than a week to go and it's not sorted, a complete joke. How long would an appeal take if the losing side appeals. It's like the premiership is sorted so all's well, forget the championship downwards is a complete mess with them unsure the promotions/ relegations can be sorted by the time the season starts

[nikki-red 308]

Apologies if this is a silly question (or has already been answered) but was the case always going to start on this date?

If yes then had the world still been normal the football season would’ve ended months ago.

Therefore will any punishment, particularly a points deduction, be implemented for the 20/21 season rather than 19/20?

 

Anything could’ve happened at the end of last season, it would have been really messy to then deduct points. It could have changed everything, for numerous teams.

 

Hope that made sense! 

[NERVY-OWL 195]

27 minutes ago, nikki-red said:

Apologies if this is a silly question (or has already been answered) but was the case always going to start on this date?

If yes then had the world still been normal the football season would’ve ended months ago.

Therefore will any punishment, particularly a points deduction, be implemented for the 20/21 season rather than 19/20?

 

Anything could’ve happened at the end of last season, it would have been really messy to then deduct points. It could have changed everything, for numerous teams.

 

Hope that made sense! 

Yes it does make sense and it was brought forward a month from August so it wouldn't of been heard before the end of season if it hadn't of been for the covid madness. That's what annoys me about Barnsley fans etc going on about fairness when any punishment would of been for next season if the season had finished when it should of.

[iansheff 88]

An almighty **** up by the EFL, charges laid in November case started 23rd June almost either 7 or 8 months later and still no decision. Whichever side loses it will go to appeal, on the EFL's current form that means we don't know when the appeals will be heard. So what are they going to do? Derby's case is  still being heard I think, if they find both clubs guilty and deduct points from both clubs then both could be relegated. How can they start a new season if a case is going to be appealed and not concluded before the start of a new season? Still as long as the Premier League is all sorted for the next season it that's ok, that is all that matters. 

Edited July 20, 2020 by iansheff

[iansheff 88]

Just read an article in the link below, saying that Wednesday and Wigan will avoid a points deduction this season and that the points will be deducted next season meaning they will be in the Championship next season if it is correct. No mention of Derby, but would imagine same applies to them if they lose their case.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8542283/Wigan-Sheffield-Wednesday-AVOID-relegation-Championship.html

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/wigan-sheffield-wednesday-set-avoid-22387233

 

Copied and pasted from the article in the Mail.

Wigan and Sheffield Wednesday are set to avoid relegation from the Championship as a result of their financial dealings with any points deductions imposed by the EFL's independent panel to be applied next season. 

The verdicts in both cases are due imminently, but as both clubs would have the right of appeal if found guilty there is little prospect of the punishment affecting the relegation battle that will reach a climax on Wednesday evening, with Barnsley, Luton, Charlton, Birmingham and Middlesbrough all in danger of dropping into League One. Bottom-club Hull appear doomed, but could still survive if the beat Cardiff and other results go their way.

 

The full EFL statement is in the link below.

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/efl-statement-wigan-sheffield-wednesday-4347521

 

 

Edited July 20, 2020 by iansheff

[NERVY-OWL 195]

1 hour ago, iansheff said:

Just read an article in the link below, saying that Wednesday and Wigan will avoid a points deduction this season and that the points will be deducted next season meaning they will be in the Championship next season if it is correct. No mention of Derby, but would imagine same applies to them if they lose their case.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8542283/Wigan-Sheffield-Wednesday-AVOID-relegation-Championship.html

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/wigan-sheffield-wednesday-set-avoid-22387233

 

Copied and pasted from the article in the Mail.

Wigan and Sheffield Wednesday are set to avoid relegation from the Championship as a result of their financial dealings with any points deductions imposed by the EFL's independent panel to be applied next season. 

The verdicts in both cases are due imminently, but as both clubs would have the right of appeal if found guilty there is little prospect of the punishment affecting the relegation battle that will reach a climax on Wednesday evening, with Barnsley, Luton, Charlton, Birmingham and Middlesbrough all in danger of dropping into League One. Bottom-club Hull appear doomed, but could still survive if the beat Cardiff and other results go their way.

 

The full EFL statement is in the link below.

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/efl-statement-wigan-sheffield-wednesday-4347521

 

 

That would be too sensible though, Barnsley in particular will cry about it. There shouldn't be any deducted this season though

[jester6881 10]

Clear as mud.

If Wednesday have done wrong then they would be punished and rightfully so.

Its dragged on long enough.

Transparency is all I ask.

Cant wait for this season to be over