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8 hours ago, makapaka said:

Instead of speculating on this thread-why don’t we make it an update of real life.

 

ie. If you get it - put it on here and let us know how you’re getting on and if you need any help.

 

or if you hear about someone that’s got it who’s

struggling - let us know about that too.

 

it doesn’t matter anymore if it was from bats - or anything else.

 

im thinking more if my 78 year old nan

an grandad should move in with us for a few month instead of spending 3 months on their own.


let’s stop arguing about it - and deal with actual

actual issues and hopefully we’ll get it sorted.

I'm keeping distance from my mother for at least a few more days. I had a meeting last week and a couple of them didn't stop coughing. 

 

Will help next door with their shopping, they've no computer so can't order online.

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1 hour ago, tinfoilhat said:

I'm keeping distance from my mother for at least a few more days. I had a meeting last week and a couple of them didn't stop coughing. 

 

Will help next door with their shopping, they've no computer so can't order online.

Would not help if they did. Tried to order online today (so my elderly mother could avoid supermarkets - she lives more than 4 hours from us in the south) and no slots for the next 3 weeks....not sure what we will have to do if she is told to self-isolate.

 

Well seems some supermarkets are more popular than others, can find some slots thankfully.

 

 

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I'm wondering if it would be a good idea to have some kind of Sheffield Forum Covid-19 coronavirus advice sticky?

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1 hour ago, nightrider said:

Would not help if they did. Tried to order online today (so my elderly mother could avoid supermarkets - she lives more than 4 hours from us in the south) and no slots for the next 3 weeks....not sure what we will have to do if she is told to self-isolate.

One of you goes down there, and either stays with her, or repatriates her up with you?

 

Find a social media'd self-organising support group near her, to refer her to?

 

We're in the same quandary with my M-i-L in SY, and she's a day & 2 border crossings away from us...Mrs taking this hard. The way semi-official 'noises' are developping fast, I'm now expecting total lockdown here within 2-3 days.

 

Just learned minutes ago that the Lux Tour Op is repatriating my holidaying parents early tomorrow (they were due back Saturday, they thought they may be repat'd early on Thursday - means flights are going to stop earlier), and Macron is due to make a national address again tonight. Total lockdown in France in 3,2,1...

 

 

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7 minutes ago, L00b said:

One of you goes down there, and either stays with her, or repatriates her up with you?

 

Find a social media'd self-organising support group near her, to refer her to?

 

We're in the same quandary with my M-i-L in SY, and she's a day & 2 border crossings away from us...Mrs taking this hard. The way semi-official 'noises' are developping fast, I'm now expecting total lockdown here within 2-3 days.

 

Just learned minutes ago that the Lux Tour Op is repatriating my holidaying parents early tomorrow (they were due back Saturday, they thought they may be repat'd early on Thursday - means flights are going to stop earlier), and Macron is due to make a national address again tonight. Total lockdown in France in 3,2,1...

 

 

"One of you goes down there, and either stays with her, or repatriates her up with you?"

 

But if we could not get home delivery, then I have to go to the supermarket and risk bringing the infection home. Same if she comes here. Defeats the point of self isolation. If we could get home delivery, she has other friends in the same situation and they can all drive to each others houses to avoid the outside world without being cut off from socialising. We were debating whether to visit regularly too, but again that risks infecting her defeating the point of self isolation.

 

 

 

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40 minutes ago, nightrider said:

But if we could not get home delivery, then I have to go to the supermarket and risk bringing the infection home. Same if she comes here. Defeats the point of self isolation.

No, sharing the same dwelling, and the fewest shopping trip(s) (by the fewest person(s)) for all at the address, significantly reduces the exposure risk, relative to sticking to 2 dwellings needing their respective shopping trips for the same (aggregate) number of people.

 

The name of the game is to organise to have as few exposures to the outside world, for the fewest possible in a dwelling, for as long as possible.

 

In that context, having friends doing the rounds/driving to each other is a risk in itself. It's not "avoiding the outside world": it's bringing it in for a visit. But it's a lesser risk, relative to starving/running out of meds.

 

Visits should be strictly if there is a genuine support/care requirement, but not under any other circumstance. As much for her sake as yours.

 

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39 minutes ago, L00b said:

No, sharing the same dwelling, and the fewest shopping trip(s) (by the fewest person(s)) for all at the address, significantly reduces the exposure risk, relative to sticking to 2 dwellings needing their respective shopping trips for the same (aggregate) number of people.

 

The name of the game is to organise to have as few exposures to the outside world, for the fewest possible in a dwelling, for as long as possible.

 

In that context, having friends doing the rounds/driving to each other is a risk in itself. It's not "avoiding the outside world": it's bringing it in for a visit. But it's a lesser risk, relative to starving/running out of meds.

 

Visits should be strictly if there is a genuine support/care requirement, but not under any other circumstance. As much for her sake as yours.

 

I haven't seen my mother for about 6 weeks but despite me washing my hands to the point they look like a rhinos scrotum I've no idea what I'm bringing in with me. 

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24 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

I haven't seen my mother for about 6 weeks but despite me washing my hands to the point they look like a rhinos scrotum I've no idea what I'm bringing in with me

Neither do you, or your Mum, about what the Tesco home delivery warehouse pickers and the driver bring themselves :|

 

Risk zero doesn't exist. It never could. 

 

All you can do is minimise it, to the extent that your circumstances let you, keeping in mind that the longer the UK does not enact any social distancing measures (and/or the more people don't follow them), the higher that risk of contagion rises irrespective, because the more contagious out and about.

 

It's not a difficult concept to grasp. Save for people who still buy into that "herd immunity" messaging, of course. In which case, good luck to them, and that's about the sum total of it tbh.

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12 hours ago, makapaka said:

Instead of speculating on this thread-why don’t we make it an update of real life.

 

ie. If you get it - put it on here and let us know how you’re getting on and if you need any help.

 

or if you hear about someone that’s got it who’s

struggling - let us know about that too.

 

it doesn’t matter anymore if it was from bats - or anything else.

 

im thinking more if my 78 year old nan

an grandad should move in with us for a few month instead of spending 3 months on their own.


let’s stop arguing about it - and deal with actual

actual issues and hopefully we’ll get it sorted.

Very good idea Makapaka, Sheffieldforum is a community after all.

 

I've just had a nasty cough and sore throat so self isolated for 7 days, probably just a bad cold (runny nose etc too,) but will I ever know if it was coronavirus without a test? I'm on the mend now, but still not going out for the time being. 

 

 

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Andyofborg,

 

I'm not going to argue at length on this point. Th SIV link is not shared by all scientists-it's contentious. And this is not really the place for an arge-barge  on SIV/HIV.

If all the HIV-1 and SIV cpz strains represented one and the same virus,then their genome will have to be closely related. In fact they should represent a unique molecular  entity.

Even the genome of RNA viruses,including flu ,which are considered to be most variable,a one percent sequence difference is considered to represent extreme variability. This is because small genetic differences lead to significant phenotype differences. 

I quote: 

"In the 1989 study of SIVcpz:  Peetera et al wrote "Nucleic acid hybridisation experiments appear to indicate that the virus is different from HIV-1 and HIV-2".

In 1990 Nature paper by researchers from CIRM and the Pasteur  Institute ,including Wain-Hobson,wrote,"Several regions of the chimpanzee sequences were more than 50% divergent with respect to HIV-1 bru ".

It's clear that SIVcpz  genome is not simply  a more divergent HIV-1.

They are not the same.

 

So I don't buy the Chimp connection.

So with respect, I've been around this  HIV/AIDS  since day one.

I'm aware of the behaviour of HIV and T-cells. The point I made 

was ,antibodies historically meant a degree (degree,not complete immunity). That went out the window in 1984. It pays to do ones

own research and  to critically look at  data/research.

I did my own research on AZT and I didn't take it. The friends of mine that did died from AZT poisoning .

 

It's not clear whether or not infection with CoVid -19 and recovery

means immunity.

It's interesting that Viral Load is being invoked during this Pandemic.

 

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44 minutes ago, Anna B said:

Very good idea Makapaka, Sheffieldforum is a community after all.

 

I've just had a nasty cough and sore throat so self isolated for 7 days, probably just a bad cold (runny nose etc too,) but will I ever know if it was coronavirus without a test? I'm on the mend now, but still not going out for the time being. 

 

 

Not seen you for a while Anna, nice to see your (getting) well.

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