Opening Up Sheaf Valley Railway Stations.

[Baron99 794]

Now here IS a good idea.  Especially if it could incorporate something the TramTrain that currently runs from Sheffield to Rotherham on a South Sheffield route. 

 

 

https://www.louisehaigh.org.uk/news/2020/05/22/sheffield-mps-olivia-blake-and-louise-haigh-launch-bid-to-restore-sheaf-valley-railway-stations/

 

Edited May 23, 2020 by Baron99

[Bargepole23 337]

17 minutes ago, Baron99 said:

Now here IS a good idea.  Especially if it could incorporate something the TramTrain that currently runs from Sheffield to Rotherham on a South Sheffield route. 

 

 

https://www.louisehaigh.org.uk/news/2020/05/22/sheffield-mps-olivia-blake-and-louise-haigh-launch-bid-to-restore-sheaf-valley-railway-stations/

 

It is a good idea. Unfortunately a £500m fund for the entire UK isn't going to touch the sides. 

[Annie Bynnol 612]

This is an idea recycled every few years and gains a little traction  and fails to meet the first criterion, so again nothing will  happen.

 

Nimby will oppose any PandR and its link roads.

The current signalling work and between and the planned  new platform  and junctions work at Dore needs finishing first.

Decision made or not about  HS2 and MML electrification will delay any new plan.

There was no demand for trains for over 100 years and only a handful of trains  stopped per day- the population is even less now and the railway now is even more congested. 

 

As for tram/trains or trams or trains just there are a dozen other routes in the Sheffield region which will give more benefit to more people.

 

[Baron99 794]

8 hours ago, Annie Bynnol said:

This is an idea recycled every few years and gains a little traction  and fails to meet the first criterion, so again nothing will  happen.

 

Nimby will oppose any PandR and its link roads.

The current signalling work and between and the planned  new platform  and junctions work at Dore needs finishing first.

Decision made or not about  HS2 and MML electrification will delay any new plan.

There was no demand for trains for over 100 years and only a handful of trains  stopped per day- the population is even less now and the railway now is even more congested. 

 

As for tram/trains or trams or trains just there are a dozen other routes in the Sheffield region which will give more benefit to more people.

 

Heavens above!  You're not suggesting for one minute that both Louise Haigh & Olivia Blake have been out of the limelight as of late, so they've tried to pump life into a dead duck of an idea, to stoke up a few column inches? 

 

Well I never!

 

I Still think that if it did come about, it would improve the transport links no end down the Sheaf corridor & take a vast amount of traffic off the roads, especially passing through the Heeley bottom area. 

Edited May 24, 2020 by Baron99

[Annie Bynnol 612]

2 hours ago, Baron99 said:

Heavens above!  You're not suggesting for one minute that both Louise Haigh & Olivia Blake have been out of the limelight as of late, so they've tried to pump life into a dead duck of an idea, to stoke up a few column inches? 

 

Well I never!

 

I Still think that if it did come about, it would improve the transport links no end down the Sheaf corridor & take a vast amount of traffic off the roads, especially passing through the Heeley bottom area. 

What an odd response!

Why are their comments on transport now a hostile personal and political jibe about an MP who represent the community  involved and another who  has expressed  concern about railway matters in general and in her patch and neighbouring patches on each side?

 

What I am suggesting is that the data used by the tories since to deny expansion of rail or tram Sheffield/Derbyshire is pretty tight, and that their are easier and more fruitful  battles to win.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 24, 2020 by Annie Bynnol

[muddycoffee 10]

The Main stumbling block to this plan is that local trains can't share the same rails as express trains because they would hold them up and cause delays. In 1903 the tracks were quadrupled so that local and express trains could operate side by side. In the 1980s the tracks were reduced to just a pair again after the local stations had closed in 1968.

These slow lines now can't be reinstated because the large Tesco at Abbeydale Road is built across that part of the track bed. The bridges and most of the rest of the track bed is still there, between Dore and Midland Station.

[*_ash_* 88]

43 minutes ago, muddycoffee said:

The Main stumbling block to this plan is that local trains can't share the same rails as express trains because they would hold them up and cause delays. In 1903 the tracks were quadrupled so that local and express trains could operate side by side. In the 1980s the tracks were reduced to just a pair again after the local stations had closed in 1968.

These slow lines now can't be reinstated because the large Tesco at Abbeydale Road is built across that part of the track bed. The bridges and most of the rest of the track bed is still there, between Dore and Midland Station.

I've just been looking again at the map (google maps) Did they move the lines to build this then?

If you look at the next 2 bridges towards town, you can see the empty space at the side of the current lines, but then at the next bridge towards Dore, the space is on the other side.

 

(either way - how was this allowed?!)

[Annie Bynnol 612]

The work being completed at the moment is between Heeley and Sheffield.

The southbound Heeley loop work mainly involves re signalling to allow the longer trains to be accommodated allowing faster passenger traffic to pass.

At the back of BQ , renewal of track, slight changes to the layout and resignalling is allowing for more trains to enter and leave the station from the south. 

Future work will have to involve planning for HS2 and MML electrification, a new station layout and a new bi-directional track up to Dore, that is  why there will  be no new railway stations reopenings anytime soon  

 

The next work will be at Dore- new junctions, new platform and a longer connection between Bradway and Totley Tunnels.

 Bamford- will have a new passing loop to the east of the section.

 Earles (Quarry sidings)Junction will see a slightly modified junction and all of this will become connected to York signalbox.

Although shovels aren't in use yet some prep work is starting. Mind you they said that in 2010.

 

 

[muddycoffee 10]

On ‎24‎/‎05‎/‎2020 at 12:40, *_ash_* said:

I've just been looking again at the map (google maps) Did they move the lines to build this then?

If you look at the next 2 bridges towards town, you can see the empty space at the side of the current lines, but then at the next bridge towards Dore, the space is on the other side.

 

(either way - how was this allowed?!)

Yes. The Lines were long gone (15 years?)  before Tesco was built. If you look at the Southern Railway Bridge of Archer Road. It is Adjacent to the old Station building. The distance between the Current lines and the Station Building is where the old pair of Local Lines are missing. Next there are two blocks of Industrial units before Tesco all built on the track bed.

 

As to why was this allowed. Most of these new buildings have been there  over 20 years, when the UK had had 30 years of neglect of the Railways. It probably wasn't considered likely that they would expand again. The 1980s was still  the motorway age when it was assumed everyone was better driving cars, this only came to a slow halt in the 1990s with the protests against M40 and Newbury Bypass signalled the change in public and political mood.

[*_ash_* 88]

2 hours ago, muddycoffee said:

Yes. The Lines were long gone (15 years?)  before Tesco was built. If you look at the Southern Railway Bridge of Archer Road. It is Adjacent to the old Station building. The distance between the Current lines and the Station Building is where the old pair of Local Lines are missing. Next there are two blocks of Industrial units before Tesco all built on the track bed.

 

As to why was this allowed. Most of these new buildings have been there  over 20 years, when the UK had had 30 years of neglect of the Railways. It probably wasn't considered likely that they would expand again. The 1980s was still  the motorway age when it was assumed everyone was better driving cars, this only came to a slow halt in the 1990s with the protests against M40 and Newbury Bypass signalled the change in public and political mood.

Yes, I suppose so.

 

Still, it's a huge shame!