Closing Roads To Traffic & Widening Pavements For Social Distancing

[Guest makapaka]

Some of the star comments echo mine above - it makes sense that where you have limited private vehicles using these areas then the area can be passed to pedestrians.

 

it doesn’t make sense to me to stop  people having easy access from their vehicles to certain places and everyone having to walk to where they need to get to - when previously  they could have parked outside - walked in and out of shop - and then gone home.

[Mouserat 10]

As a resident of Broomhill, I walk along this pavement at least twice, usually more, most days.  Sometimes I'm visiting the shops.  More often, I'm going for a walk or run, heading to the doctor, going to work, visiting a friend.

It can be awful trying to get past people on a narrow pavement with cars coming in and out of the parking bays with little regard to people.  But now there are socially distanced queues for the shops, and, on 2ft wide pavements, you can't distance unless you walk through the parking area.

When they shut the bays for social distancing measures at the weekend, I had hoped it might be to close the bays, perhaps retaining the two disabled spaces, and give shoppers a wide pavement at a really busy pinchpoint.  

They haven't given pedestrians any more room.  They've removed the plant pots - that I think we're there to discourage pedestrians from using a dangerous sliver of pavement between a busy road and a carpark.  And painted advisory zebra stripes that reinforce the right of way that pedestrians have.

It's very clear to me that car drivers retain priority in this area, and easy parking has been prioritised over ensuring that everyone can walk or queue with safe social distancing.  

[Michael_N 36]

On 26/05/2020 at 15:51, Michael_N said:

As a side thought, going on for a permanent change - would any of the following be achievable:

 

1) Pinstone Street / Furnival Gate junction - allow through traffic to carry straight across at this junction, rather than having to turn into Pinstone Street from Charter Row

 

2) West Street / Carver Street junction - allow left turns from Church Street direction, allowing buses that currently use Leopold Street/Pinstone Street to turn into Carver Street, following this round onto Wellington Street and then onto Rockingham Street to meet up at Charter Row.

 

By allowing these 2 changes, then all buses could be re-routed effectively away from Pinstone Street with limited impact on walking diatances, with potential to open up further redevelopment around the Carver Street/Rockingham Street areas? This would then follow a similar approach to city centres like Birmingham, where bus stops are located on the outskirts of the city centre at multiple interchange points - and most of the city centre is then pedestrianised as a result.

 

Perhaps another idea for buses - could be to allow buses to turn right from Church Street directly only Townhead Street down to Tenter Street. This could then allow services to run up to either Western Bank or down towards West Bar and on to Penistone Road/Shalesmoor?

Supposed to be taking place a week on Sunday. The changes are apparently the ones I actually suggested above and seem the easiest to make.

 

Carver Street/West Street will have a left turn ability added to the junction, and the pedestrian island at the top of The Moor will finally be removed, allowing traffic direct access to Arundel Gate, therefore no longer been forced to turn into Pinstone Street.

 

Now these changes will be added, hopefully new stops will be put in place on Carver Street/Wellington Street - the changes on the whole now don't seem as bad, and actually will provide a benefit. Becoming a little like Birmingham city centre, in the sense that all bus routes stop around the edge of the city centre, where as the middle is fully pedestrianised.

[Martin C 81]

1 hour ago, Michael_N said:

Supposed to be taking place a week on Sunday. The changes are apparently the ones I actually suggested above and seem the easiest to make.

 

Carver Street/West Street will have a left turn ability added to the junction, and the pedestrian island at the top of The Moor will finally be removed, allowing traffic direct access to Arundel Gate, therefore no longer been forced to turn into Pinstone Street.

 

Now these changes will be added, hopefully new stops will be put in place on Carver Street/Wellington Street - the changes on the whole now don't seem as bad, and actually will provide a benefit. Becoming a little like Birmingham city centre, in the sense that all bus routes stop around the edge of the city centre, where as the middle is fully pedestrianised.

Thanks for the update. 

Assume buses 51, 52, 95 etc inbound along West St will follow the same diversion (turning right into Carver St)?  

Also, do you know if buses from the High St/Church St (and Townhead St??) direction following the diversion and heading towards Eccleshall Rd or London Rd turn left (via Furnival Gate/Square) or right (direct to Moorfoot) where Rockingham St meets Charter Row?

[Michael_N 36]

9 minutes ago, Martin C said:

Thanks for the update. 

Assume buses 51, 52, 95 etc inbound along West St will follow the same diversion (turning right into Carver St)?  

Also, do you know if buses from the High St/Church St (and Townhead St??) direction following the diversion and heading towards Eccleshall Rd or London Rd turn left (via Furnival Gate/Square) or right (direct to Moorfoot) where Rockingham St meets Charter Row?

Honest answer is I don't know about Townhead Street, although you can turn right at present onto Pinfold Street and then turn left onto Holly Street and then right onto West Street just before City Hall tram stop. So may not need changing? It would be an added benefit if they could allow right turning vehicles onto Townhead Street from Church Street and left turning vehicles from West Street onto Townhead Street. But I doubt we will see that happen personally.

[Guest makapaka]

Noticed they’ve just removed the planters at Broomhill and kept the car parking spaces.

 

sensible move for me.

[Martin C 81]

On 31/05/2020 at 12:03, Michael_N said:

Supposed to be taking place a week on Sunday. The changes are apparently the ones I actually suggested above and seem the easiest to make.

 

Carver Street/West Street will have a left turn ability added to the junction, and the pedestrian island at the top of The Moor will finally be removed, allowing traffic direct access to Arundel Gate, therefore no longer been forced to turn into Pinstone Street.

 

Now these changes will be added, hopefully new stops will be put in place on Carver Street/Wellington Street - the changes on the whole now don't seem as bad, and actually will provide a benefit. Becoming a little like Birmingham city centre, in the sense that all bus routes stop around the edge of the city centre, where as the middle is fully pedestrianised.

It's been reported that Carver Street will be closed to traffic "at night". 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3565862800109236&id=609632969065582

Has anyone thought this through?

[Michael_N 36]

42 minutes ago, Martin C said:

It's been reported that Carver Street will be closed to traffic "at night". 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3565862800109236&id=609632969065582

Has anyone thought this through?

More shockingly, has anyone seen the state of Arundel Gate that the council has done? Looks a complete mess. Wheelchairs have got no chance!

[Andy C 85]

bus route changes in the City Centre due to these road changes:

 

Sheffield City Centre Changes - Sunday 14 June onward

Please be aware, there are Sheffield City Centre layout changes coming into effect on Sunday 14 June 2020.

These changes are being made to help with social distancing, increasing pedestrianisation and width of footways to provide more room to move, and to allow queuing for businesses outside premises. Buses will be re-routed to stops that have increased space to avoid any queuing on tight footpaths, or where the queue may conflict with the queue for retail premises.

 

Service 1 towards Batemoor will follow usual route until Waingate. The bus will no longer serve High Street - HS2, or Pinstone Street - TH3. This service will now stop at Arundel Gate - AG13, and Charles Street - CS1. This service will continue along the usual route from Charter Row. Please note, Service 1 towards High Green is unaffected and will follow its usual route.

 

Service 6 towards City Centre will follow usual route until West Street. The bus will no longer serve Leopold Street - CH1, or Pinstone Street - MH1. This service will now stop at Carver Street - CA5. This service will continue along the usual route from Arundel Gate. Please note, Service 6 towards Millhouses is unaffected and will follow its usual route.

 

Services 11, 11a towards Herdings will follow usual route until Waingate. The bus will no longer serve High Street - HS2, Pinstone Street - TH3. This service will now stop at Arundel Gate - AG13, Charles Street - CS1. This service will continue along the usual route from Charter Row. Please note Services 11 and 11a towards Chapeltown will be unaffected and will follow their usual routes.

 

Services 30, 30a towards Crystal Peaks will follow usual route until West Street. The bus will no longer serve Leopold Street - CH1, Pinstone Street - MH1. This service will now stop at Carver Street - CA3. This service will continue along the usual route from Arundel Gate. Please note, Services 30 and 30a towards Royal Hallamshire Hospital are unaffected and will follow their usual routes.

Service 51 towards Charnock will follow usual route until West Street. The bus will no longer serve Leopold Street - CH1, Pinstone Street - TH3. This service will now stop at Carver Street - CA5, Charter Row MH4. This service will continue along the usual route from Cumberland Street. Service 51 towards Lodge Moor will follow usual route until Flat Street. The bus will no longer serve High Street - HS5. This service will now stop at High Street - HS4. This serve will continue along the usual route from West Street.

 

Services 52, 52a towards Woodhouse will follow usual route until West Street. The bus will no longer serve Leopold Street - CH1, Pinstone Street - MH1. This service will now stop at Carver Street - CA3. This service will continue along the usual route from Arundel Gate. Please note, Services 52 and 52a towards Crookes, Loxley and Wisewood are unaffected and will follow their usual routes.

 

Services 75, 76, 76a towards Batemoor, Lowedges will follow usual route until Waingate. The bus will no longer serve High Street - HS2, Pinstone Street - TH1. This service will now stop at Arundel Gate - AG124, Charles Street - CS1. This service will continue along the usual route from Furnival Gate. Please note, Services 75, 76, 76a towards Shiregreen are unaffected and will follow their usual routes.

 

Services 81, 82, 83, 83a, 88 towards Ecclesall Road will follow usual route until Snig Hill. The bus will no longer serve Queen Street, Townhead Street, Leopold Street - CH2. This service will now stop at Arundel Gate - AG123, Charles Street - CS123. This service will continue along the usual route from Charter Row. Please note, Services 81, 82, 83, 83a, 88 towards Stannington and Ecclesfield are unaffected and will follow their usual routes.

 

Service 86 towards Lowedges will follow usual route until Castle Street. The bus will no longer serve High Street - HS2, Pinstone Street - TH2. This service will now stop at Arundel Gate - AG124, Charles Street - CS1. This service will continue along the usual route from Furnival Gate. Please note, Service 86 towards Chapletown is unaffected and will follow its usual route.

 

Services 95, 95a towards Meadowhall will follow usual route until West Street. The bus will no longer serve Leopold Street - CH1, Pinstone Street - MH1. This service will now stop at Carver Street (CA5). This service will continue along the usual route from Furnival Street. Please note Services 95 and 95a towards Walkley are unaffected and will follow their usual routes.

 

Services 97, 98 towards Totley, Totley Brook will follow usual route until Waingate. The bus will no longer serve High Street - HS2, Pinstone Street - TH2. This service will now stop at Arundel Gate - AG124, Charles Street - CS1. This bus will continue along the usual route from Furnival Gate. Please note Services 97 and 98 towards Hillsborough are unaffected and will follow their usual routes.

 

Service 120 towards Crystal Peaks, Halfway will follow usual route until West Street. The bus will no longer serve Leopold Street - CH1, Pinstone Street - MH1. This service will now stop at Carver Street - CA4. This service will continue along the usual route from Arundel Gate. Service 120 towards Ranmoor, Fulwood will follow usual route until Flat Street. The bus will no longer serve High Street - HS3. This service will now stop at High Street - HS2. This service will continue along the usual route from West Street.

 

Services 273, 274, 275 towards City Centre will follow usual route until West Street. The bus will no longer serve Leopold Street - CH1, Pinstone Street - MH1. This service will now stop at Carver Street - CA5. This service will continue along the usual route from Furnival Street.

 

Service X5 towards Dinnington will follow usual route until West Street. The bus will no longer serve Leopold Street - CH1, Pinstone Street - MH1. This service will now stop at Carver Street - CA3. This service will continue along the usual route from Furnival Street. Please note, service X5 towards Broomhill is unaffected and will follow its usual route.

 

You can find further information about these changes, and maps, here.

[Martin C 81]

The above diversions via Carver Street could be interesting (for late evening buses anyway) given the reports that this is to be closed to traffic "at night" for pedestrian safety. 

[RollingJ 1,974]

@Martin C- sounds like standard SCC planning to me. Bring the city to a stop.

[Andy C 85]

13 minutes ago, Martin C said:

The above diversions via Carver Street could be interesting (for late evening buses anyway) given the reports that this is to be closed to traffic "at night" for pedestrian safety. 

To keep all those people partying at the various pubs and bars in the area safe?

 

Oh...

 

Actually looks like between 3 and 5 bus stops are planned on Carver Street. When those bars do finally reopen they will find a new bus station has appeared outside their front door by the sounds of it!

stop CA3 for buses 30, 30a, 52, 52a, X5

stop CA4 for bus 120

stop CA5 for buses 6, 51, 95, 95a, 273, 274, 275

Edited June 12, 2020 by Andy C