Closing Roads To Traffic & Widening Pavements For Social Distancing

[RJRB 688]

47 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

The point is that the “pavement” is part of the road. Walkers, cyclists motorists are all road users.

That’s confusing for those wishing to cross the road.

[Annie Bynnol 612]

49 minutes ago, RJRB said:

That’s confusing for those wishing to cross the road.

Not if you have read the Highway  Code in preparation for the test where it  not only defines what a ' road user is, it also describes some as vulnerable, to others.

All motorists are pedestrians as well and every motorist has to cross the road.

Why do some road users forget this  when they are behind a wheel?

Edited August 26, 2020 by Annie Bynnol

[RJRB 688]

41 minutes ago, Annie Bynnol said:

Not if you have read the Highway  Code in preparation for the test where it  not only defines what a ' road user is, it also describes some as vulnerable, to others.

All motorists are pedestrians as well and every motorist has to cross the road.

Why do some road users forget this  when they are behind a wheel?

It can all  get very literal on here.

I think we all recognise the difference between pavements and roads without requiring a Highways Code definition.

We are all the same and I could cite many cases of pedestrians failing to exercise due care when crossing roads.I particularly laugh at those who run off the pavement for a yard or two and then saunter across the middle .

It cuts all ways.

 

[Annie Bynnol 612]

The consequence of some vehicles drivers not understanding the concept of "road users" has cost billions of pounds.

The massive urban road building programme of the 60' 70' and 80s' included the added costs of separating types of motor vehicles, types of junction and the expense of separating different traffic types.

This separation led to the assumption by some drivers of a "hierarchy" of road users believing, with the individual  car driver at the top.  The only method of dissuading some drivers has been to create a system of lanes, lights, refuges etc. to remind this small minority of their responsibility.

 

Why is it so difficult for some to understand that a road and  it's use and its users have and will change over time, as will the needs of the community the roads it is served by.

 

Whole sections of The Highway Code are devoted to safety based on what "road user" means it is a shame some have forgotten or choose to ignore. All motorists are pedestrians. 

 

 

 

[RollingJ 2,002]

17 minutes ago, Annie Bynnol said:

The consequence of some vehicles drivers not understanding the concept of "road users" has cost billions of pounds.

The massive urban road building programme of the 60' 70' and 80s' included the added costs of separating types of motor vehicles, types of junction and the expense of separating different traffic types.

This separation led to the assumption by some drivers of a "hierarchy" of road users believing, with the individual  car driver at the top.  The only method of dissuading some drivers has been to create a system of lanes, lights, refuges etc. to remind this small minority of their responsibility.

 

Why is it so difficult for some to understand that a road and  it's use and its users have and will change over time, as will the needs of the community the roads it is served by.

 

Whole sections of The Highway Code are devoted to safety based on what "road user" means it is a shame some have forgotten or choose to ignore. All motorists are pedestrians. 

 

 

 

Please explain to me how someone driving a motor vehicle - a 'driver' by definition - can be a pedestrian - a 'walker' by definition - be one and the same?

[stifflersmom 11]

40 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

Please explain to me how someone driving a motor vehicle - a 'driver' by definition - can be a pedestrian - a 'walker' by definition - be one and the same?

It's not hard. How do they get to and from their vehicle?

[PRESLEY 1,224]

On 22/05/2020 at 22:16, Bargepole23 said:

About time the city centre was taken back from motorists.

 

Motorists kill people.

Got to agree with the last bit,    Motorist kill,    they are even worse when they drive around in Cars,  

[Bargepole23 337]

1 hour ago, PRESLEY said:

Got to agree with the last bit,    Motorist kill,    they are even worse when they drive around in Cars,  

Hilarious.

 

I'm sure the loved ones of those killed by motorists will be laughing along with you.

[RollingJ 2,002]

4 hours ago, stifflersmom said:

It's not hard. How do they get to and from their vehicle?

But they are not pedestrians once they begin to drive!😀

 

1 hour ago, PRESLEY said:

Got to agree with the last bit,    Motorist kill,    they are even worse when they drive around in Cars,  

Cyclists also kill - but somewhat obviously not to the same volume as car drivers - before some smart alec tries to take me to task

[tinfoilhat 11]

7 hours ago, Annie Bynnol said:

The consequence of some vehicles drivers not understanding the concept of "road users" has cost billions of pounds.

The massive urban road building programme of the 60' 70' and 80s' included the added costs of separating types of motor vehicles, types of junction and the expense of separating different traffic types.

This separation led to the assumption by some drivers of a "hierarchy" of road users believing, with the individual  car driver at the top.  The only method of dissuading some drivers has been to create a system of lanes, lights, refuges etc. to remind this small minority of their responsibility.

 

Why is it so difficult for some to understand that a road and  it's use and its users have and will change over time, as will the needs of the community the roads it is served by.

 

Whole sections of The Highway Code are devoted to safety based on what "road user" means it is a shame some have forgotten or choose to ignore. All motorists are pedestrians. 

 

 

 

So we'd be better off with a big scrum of cars, lorries, bikes, pedestrians (chuck in horses if you like) etc like you see in India?

[RollingJ 2,002]

Not often I agree with you @tinfoilhat- but you are spot-on with that comment.

[Resident 1,185]

On 26/08/2020 at 09:04, Planner1 said:

The point is that the “pavement” is part of the road. Walkers, cyclists motorists are all road users.

So rather than discuss the point I was making you're deciding to argue semantics?

 

I assume that's because you've no defence of the dangerous conditions SCC have created for vehicles using AG.