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22 minutes ago, RJRB said:

You seem to have an uncanny ability to miss the point.

Have you been to say Whitby on a nice summers day .Crowds from Sheffield,Leeds.Middlesborough,Newcastle. 

Its the unnecessary risk of transmission to and from communities that is the issue.

Plus of course the fact that most facilities for refreshments and toilets are closed.

 

 

 

But outdoors, then unless people are truly packed in like sardines, virus transmission is unlikely.  The easing of some restrictions is bound to increase transmission to an extent though - it is both inevitable and, whilst we have spare NHS capacity and no vaccine,  could be argued favourable. The virus isn't going anywhere until enough people have antibodies.

 

3 minutes ago, Rockers rule said:

 

We have just had a similar  situation when some of our Grandchildren came to see us.

 

 

Unless this was in an outdoor public place and only one grandchild at a time then you were in breach of the (admittedly ridiculous) rules.

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7 minutes ago, Domin0 said:

But outdoors, then unless people are truly packed in like sardines, virus transmission is unlikely.  The easing of some restrictions is bound to increase transmission to an extent though - it is both inevitable and, whilst we have spare NHS capacity and no vaccine,  could be argued favourable. The virus isn't going anywhere until enough people have antibodies.

 

 

Unless this was in an outdoor public place and only one grandchild at a time then you were in breach of the (admittedly ridiculous) rules.

Public footpath between their house and ours and not exactly a visit more of in passing.

Garden and wall inbetween.

We understand the distancing rule and I personally won't even put the bin's out without wearing a mask and gloves.

It's a shame this virus doesn't understand the rules.

Keep safe and let common sense prevail.

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2 hours ago, Domin0 said:

But outdoors, then unless people are truly packed in like sardines, virus transmission is unlikely.

you really dont have a clue, i live here, i see it at all times of the year, currently its heading for the busiest time of the year, people "do" get packed in like sardines, specially the tight spots like the swing bridge, over the bridge down the alleys, up golden lion bank, even the paths arent generally 6 foot wide so you cant keep 6 foot away from people side by side. and people eating fish and chips sat on benches, sharing benches doesnt help either.

 

As a side note, the council have just put new signs up banning parking on the west cliff streets till september "to enable social distancing"

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2 hours ago, Domin0 said:

But outdoors, then unless people are truly packed in like sardines, virus transmission is unlikely. 

 

11 minutes ago, melthebell said:

you really dont have a clue, i live here, i see it at all times of the year, currently its heading for the busiest time of the year, people "do" get packed in like sardines, specially the tight spots like the swing bridge, over the bridge down the alleys, up golden lion bank, even the paths arent generally 6 foot wide so you cant keep 6 foot away from people side by side. and people eating fish and chips sat on benches, sharing benches doesnt help either.

No, Domin0 is right, transmission of the virus outdoors is highly unlikely.

 

Here is one of the better [imo] articles on the virus and how it is transmitted-

 

https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them

 

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The reason to highlight these different outbreaks is to show you the commonality of outbreaks of COVID-19. All these infection events were indoors, with people closely-spaced, with lots of talking, singing, or yelling. The main sources for infection are home, workplace, public transport, social gatherings, and restaurants. This accounts for 90% of all transmission events. In contrast, outbreaks spread from shopping appear to be responsible for a small percentage of traced infections. (Ref)

 

Importantly, of the countries performing contact tracing properly, only a single outbreak has been reported from an outdoor environment (less than 0.3% of traced infections)."

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8 minutes ago, onewheeldave said:

 

No, Domin0 is right, transmission of the virus outdoors is highly unlikely.

 

Here is one of the better [imo] articles on the virus and how it is transmitted-

 

https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them

 

"

The reason to highlight these different outbreaks is to show you the commonality of outbreaks of COVID-19. All these infection events were indoors, with people closely-spaced, with lots of talking, singing, or yelling. The main sources for infection are home, workplace, public transport, social gatherings, and restaurants. This accounts for 90% of all transmission events. In contrast, outbreaks spread from shopping appear to be responsible for a small percentage of traced infections. (Ref)

 

Importantly, of the countries performing contact tracing properly, only a single outbreak has been reported from an outdoor environment (less than 0.3% of traced infections)."

it also depends on how close together people are...obviously, you cant just say its small, or none existent, EVERY case, or possible case depends on multitudes of factors, including how tight together people are, you are then breathing on other people

 

This was Goth weekend in 2014

Busy-In-Whitby-1-of-1_HDR.jpg

 

Ive seen similar pictures from last summer too, in all the tight places i mentioned

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9 minutes ago, melthebell said:

it also depends on how close together people are...obviously, you cant just say its small, or none existent, EVERY case, or possible case depends on multitudes of factors, including how tight together people are, you are then breathing on other people

 

This was Goth weekend in 2014

Busy-In-Whitby-1-of-1_HDR.jpg

 

Ive seen similar pictures from last summer too, in all the tight places i mentioned

I don't think such scenes are likely at the moment,  but even if that did happen, transmission risk is still much lower outdoors compared with equivalent proximity indoors. Of course easing the lockdown means that transmission will increase.  It is inevitable.  We have two choices - start to come out of lockdown whilst keeping severe cases within NHS capacity to let the virus slowly run its course,  or stay in full lockdown indefinitely in the hope of a working vaccine that may or may not come along. The latter is not really a viable option and never was the intention of lockdown.

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1 minute ago, Domin0 said:

I don't think such scenes are likely at the moment,  but even if that did happen, transmission risk is still much lower outdoors compared with equivalent proximity indoors. Of course easing the lockdown means that transmission will increase.  It is inevitable.  We have two choices - start to come out of lockdown whilst keeping severe cases within NHS capacity to let the virus slowly run its course,  or stay in full lockdown indefinitely in the hope of a working vaccine that may or may not come along. The latter is not really a viable option and never was the intention of lockdown.

and you DO know we only have such low deaths (just over 30.000) because of lockdown? how many do you want? 1,2,3 million?

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A US member on the forum I moderate for posted a few weeks ago that following simulation tests have shown that this particular corona virus is more potent than other ones with someone coughing 20 feet away could transmit the virus and joggers have been found to leave a 40 foot trailing wake behind them.

 

On a different note, instead of just one day a week of appreciation for NHS staff we should do it each night as they do in Los Angeles:

 

https://youtu.be/a5j50F4rlzA

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24 minutes ago, melthebell said:

and you DO know we only have such low deaths (just over 30.000) because of lockdown? how many do you want? 1,2,3 million?

So what is the solution?  Do we simply just stay in lockdown indefinitely until such time as a cure is found?  

 

What happens if one is never found - Does everyone just stay under house arrest for the rest of their lives?  

 

There has to be a point when the risk versus benefits is reached and the restrictions start to be eased and gradually removed altogether.

 

To lots of people that point will never be a right time but thankfully we have people making the decision who look at the bigger picture. 

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On 14/05/2020 at 13:36, melthebell said:

So, the freedom movement are planning anti authoritarian gatherings on Saturday against the virus lockdown,

I'm sure it will be full of idiot conspiracy theorists all against 5G, Vaccines, Bill gates, Corona virus related stuff.

Theres apparently going to be 2 in parks in Sheffield, i know Endcliffe is one.

 

BUT

 

If youre planning on going just be aware who the chief officer in charge of the freedom Movement is

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/12579584/officers

 

Dont support the far right.

 

Haven't caught up with this thread yet so this might have been posted but, just in case:

 

https://whileromeburnsjournal.wordpress.com/2020/05/14/a-tale-of-two-or-more-freedom-movements/?fbclid=IwAR2gvdwxione8j0yjDGUyXcRamFtskJ8aRZLRxzcKYfp2WSh1CZiNoHTZQw

 

Even the best of us can sometimes, inadvertantly, share fake news!

On 14/05/2020 at 22:20, onewheeldave said:

 

It's actually way lower than 1/2 a percent. Current global deaths are a bit under 303,000. Global population is 9 billion so deaths attributed to coronavirus are 0.003% of the population.

Only 1.2 billion out.  Well done Dave.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

 

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22 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

So what is the solution?  Do we simply just stay in lockdown indefinitely until such time as a cure is found?  

 

What happens if one is never found - Does everyone just stay under house arrest for the rest of their lives?  

 

There has to be a point when the risk versus benefits is reached and the restrictions start to be eased and gradually removed altogether.

 

To lots of people that point will never be a right time but thankfully we have people making the decision who look at the bigger picture. 

No ,but there should be sensible guidance and step by step control.

To go from a suggested one hour exercise in your locality,to an overnight decision to allow (encourage some) unlimited travel is not sensible or logical when the probable destinations do not have facilities available.i.e.car parking,refreshments,toilets.

Our Government is not alert

 

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