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1 hour ago, Justin Smith said:

Some sources (the Oxford study, which also says around 50% of the population already have - or have had - the virus) reckon it's been here since January.

They also say it could have been ordinary flu, because there were no extra deaths.

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Announcement about payments to the self employed -

"Rishi Sunak says self-employed people facing financial difficulties will be able to have 80% of their monthly wages covered by the government.

He says this will be calculated using average monthly profits over last three financial years.

He says support will be capped at £2,500 per month, and will initially last three months."

 

Interesting that he then went on to say that in return for this the amount of tax/National Insurance contributions the self employed pay will be looked at.

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3 hours ago, Justin Smith said:

Some sources (the Oxford study, which also says around 50% of the population already have - or have had - the virus) reckon it's been here since January.

This can't be true simply because of the fact there hasn't been a corresponding jump in associated deaths. 

 

The stats simply do not support this point of view. 

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16 minutes ago, taxman said:

 

Interesting that he then went on to say that in return for this the amount of tax/National Insurance contributions the self employed pay will be looked at.

If he seriously means this and approaches it properly then it might not be such a bad thing, A great many people are called self employed merely as a vehicle to all their employer to avoid a number of obligations. There are things like IR35 which forces genuinely self employed people to be taxed as an employee even though they don't actually qualify for the extra protections and benefits being employed brings you.

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Just now, andyofborg said:

If he seriously means this and approaches it properly then it might not be such a bad thing, A great many people are called self employed merely as a vehicle to all their employer to avoid a number of obligations. There are things like IR35 which forces genuinely self employed people to be taxed as an employee even though they don't actually qualify for the extra protections and benefits being employed brings you.

The whole tricky issue of status would go if tax and NI contributions were the same across the board. Employers' NI meant lots of companies I used to deal with opted to pretend their workers were self employed in order to avoid it.

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9 minutes ago, Albert the Cat said:

This can't be true simply because of the fact there hasn't been a corresponding jump in associated deaths. 

 

The stats simply do not support this point of view. 

It might be true because the study also stated that most people who get the Coronavirus don't know they have it or have had it.  The scientists will know more when the test that shows whether people have had the Coronavirus is introduced.  

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1 hour ago, taxman said:

Interesting that he then went on to say that in return for this the amount of tax/National Insurance contributions the self employed pay will be looked at.

The Conservative 2019 manifesto said :- "No increases to income tax, National Insurance or VAT".

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6 minutes ago, El Cid said:

The Conservative 2019 manifesto said :- "No increases to income tax, National Insurance or VAT".

Did it say anything about having to deal with the current situation?

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6 minutes ago, El Cid said:

The Conservative 2019 manifesto said :- "No increases to income tax, National Insurance or VAT".

I think Boris Johnson is a terrible PM, liar and out of his depth and even I think this is a cheap shot.

 

These are world changing events happening daily. 

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17 minutes ago, andyofborg said:

Did it say anything about having to deal with the current situation?

Would you expect them to say something?

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The poor Italians.  Their death rate is running at 10% & the spread of the virus is now moving to the South of the country. 

 

We're supposed to be a couple of weeks behind them?  Our current death rate is currently no where near theirs.  Let's hope the self-isolation, social distancing & home working, helps to keep it that way? 

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8 hours ago, El Cid said:

https://inews.co.uk/news/sweden-coronavirus-no-lockdown-covid-19-measures-cases-deaths-social-distancing-restaurants-open-2517991

 

Only time will tell, the UK started off with a relaxed approach.

 

Sweden has become a global outlier in its approach to stopping the coronavirus.

Rather than imposing a lockdown like most of Europe, the country has avoided "draconian" regulations, telling its people to follow social distancing, only order food at restaurants via table service, and work from home if they can.

From https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/24/sweden-coronavirus-open-for-business/

 

"While the government in Sweden sets the remit for public agencies’ missions—determining their objectives and budgets for instance—the agencies are guaranteed freedom from so-called ministerial rule, which means politicians do not have the power to intervene directly in a public agency’s day-to-day operations. This is a tradition that is enshrined in the Swedish Constitution, said Lars Trägårdh, a historian and public commentator whose research centers on the Nordic welfare state."

 

That seems like a good idea, let the experts and scientists make the decisions, rather than dishonest vote-seeking politicians.

 

"Tegnell said: “Everything has become so political. Closing borders is a classic example. We had many such discussions during the 2009 (swine flu) pandemic and there was a consensus then among global experts that closing borders has never and will never work.” When neighboring Norway and Denmark announced border closures earlier this month, Tegnell told Swedish media that the moves had no scientific basis."

 

"“Banning public gatherings is an idiotic idea,” said Giesecke, “and if you’re not feeling sick you should go to work or school. There’s no reason why people who feel well should stay at home and there is no evidence that shows closing national borders or restaurants reduces the spread of viruses. The only preventative measure that has sound scientific backing is washing your hands. But we’ve known that for 150 years.”

 

"Giesecke believes the Public Health Agency can safely presume that Swedes will be both trusting and conformist. In fact, the agency has even suggested Swedes may be interpreting their advice too strictly. For instance, many sports clubs have on their own accord canceled youth activities, which prompted the agency’s director-general, Johan Carlson, to urge them to reconsider. It’s “unreasonable” to cancel football or ice hockey practice for kids, he said during a press conference last week. Such measures “paralyze society” and counteract public health targets, he said."

 

It is good to have a country that is doing the opposite to all the others, in terms of, when this is all over, establishing which approach really is most effective.

5 minutes ago, Baron99 said:

The poor Italians.  Their death rate is running at 10% & the spread of the virus is now moving to the South of the country. 

 

We're supposed to be a couple of weeks behind them?  Our current death rate is currently no where near theirs.  Let's hope the self-isolation, social distancing & home working, helps to keep it that way? 

If our death rate does stay lower then Italy's, it can't be attributed purely to the self-isolation strategy as there are other factors, including Italy's higher number of elderly, and higher number of smokers.

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