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11 hours ago, andyofborg said:

It's very possible, the lib dems did it, the greens are making progress but what it needs is people, organisation and a coherent strategy for managing the whole city which makes sense to most people. it also needs time and commitment, you are unlikely to gain influence or even power on the first attempt so you need to keep plugging at it. 

 

A handful of independents, especially single issue/protest independents are unlikely to have any sort of impact. 

 

A collective of independents might work, as long as they are all pragmatic enough to be able to work together and you exclude the loons, nutters and those representing the extreme edges hiding behind the petticoats of mainstream people. 

 

There are all sorts of neighbourhood boards, committees and groups, getting involved in those can help raise image and also start to give you experience of the decision making process and the hard and soft limits of council power.

 

 

 

A collective of Independents is a nice idea, (and I would dearly love that to be part of the Parliamentary system,) but I can't see it happening.

How many Independents are on the Council now? I looked for this information on SSC website, but couldn't find it, (nor a list of Councilors,) but that might just be me.

Did find the Consultation Hub though, which I thought was a good. I'll be keeping an eye on that.

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34 minutes ago, Anna B said:

A collective of Independents is a nice idea, (and I would dearly love that to be part of the Parliamentary system,) but I can't see it happening.

How many Independents are on the Council now? I looked for this information on SSC website, but couldn't find it, (nor a list of Councilors,) but that might just be me.

Did find the Consultation Hub though, which I thought was a good. I'll be keeping an eye on that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheffield_City_Council_elections

 

Labour = 49, Liberal Democrats = 26, Greens = 8 and UKIP = 1

Zero = Conservative

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Official figures show a record number of young people are now claiming benefits.

The figure has doubled since the start of the pandemic, to 538,000 under 25s claiming Universal Credit in July, that's over 9% of all benefit claimants.

As a whole, there are now some 5.6 million people on Universal credit. That's before the furlough scheme comes to an end, when the figure is expected to jump dramatically again, and not taking into account the  reported 1 million who fall through the net or who are sanctioned at any one time.  Add to that the onward march of AI and automation taking away jobs and the future is not looking rosy.

 

Where are the jobs going to come from, or are we just going to increase the permanent underclass of unemployed people that formed after Thatcher cut the mines, steelworkers jobs and Northern manufacturing industries?

 

Recession like the 30s? No, much worse...

 

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1 hour ago, Anna B said:

Official figures show a record number of young people are now claiming benefits.

The figure has doubled since the start of the pandemic, to 538,000 under 25s claiming Universal Credit in July, that's over 9% of all benefit claimants.

As a whole, there are now some 5.6 million people on Universal credit. That's before the furlough scheme comes to an end, when the figure is expected to jump dramatically again, and not taking into account the  reported 1 million who fall through the net or who are sanctioned at any one time.  Add to that the onward march of AI and automation taking away jobs and the future is not looking rosy.

 

Where are the jobs going to come from, or are we just going to increase the permanent underclass of unemployed people that formed after Thatcher cut the mines, steelworkers jobs and Northern manufacturing industries?

 

Recession like the 30s? No, much worse...

 

Once (If?) things are back to normal, they'll work in the warehouses and factories that were built on top of the old pits. Fun fact, there's more people working on top of markham pit than there was when it was open. Theres a link somewhere.

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1 hour ago, tinfoilhat said:

Once (If?) things are back to normal, they'll work in the warehouses and factories that were built on top of the old pits. Fun fact, there's more people working on top of markham pit than there was when it was open. Theres a link somewhere.

Fun Fact! There is more people now than ever! So they'll be more people employed now than ever!

3 hours ago, Anna B said:

Official figures show a record number of young people are now claiming benefits.

The figure has doubled since the start of the pandemic, to 538,000 under 25s claiming Universal Credit in July, that's over 9% of all benefit claimants.

As a whole, there are now some 5.6 million people on Universal credit. That's before the furlough scheme comes to an end, when the figure is expected to jump dramatically again, and not taking into account the  reported 1 million who fall through the net or who are sanctioned at any one time.  Add to that the onward march of AI and automation taking away jobs and the future is not looking rosy.

 

Where are the jobs going to come from, or are we just going to increase the permanent underclass of unemployed people that formed after Thatcher cut the mines, steelworkers jobs and Northern manufacturing industries?

 

Recession like the 30s? No, much worse...

 

Plus many self employed folk have no work and cannot claim benefits and therefore do not show up in the ONS figures.

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5 hours ago, 26b-6 said:

Fun Fact! There is more people now than ever! So they'll be more people employed now than ever!

I'm not sure what you're driving at - there would be more people working down the same mine because there are more people in the country?

Government need to do more - much more - but I'm not sure harking back to long gone industries that I'm not sure young people would queue up to work in is the way forward.

 

 

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3 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

I'm not sure what you're driving at - there would be more people working down the same mine because there are more people in the country?

Government need to do more - much more - but I'm not sure harking back to long gone industries that I'm not sure young people would queue up to work in is the way forward.

 

 

Got any ideas about what the government could do more of?  Genuine question, I'm all out of ideas.

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1 hour ago, Anna B said:

Got any ideas about what the government could do more of?  Genuine question, I'm all out of ideas.

Reduce employment taxes? They tax people and then they give some people money, tax credits. Why not just tax people less?

Although with the massive COVID debt, the Tories promised not to increase income tax, NI and VAT before the last election, so how will they raise money to pay off our debt?

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53 minutes ago, El Cid said:

Reduce employment taxes? They tax people and then they give some people money, tax credits. Why not just tax people less?

Although with the massive COVID debt, the Tories promised not to increase income tax, NI and VAT before the last election, so how will they raise money to pay off our debt?

One way would be to increase income tax, NI and VAT.

 

Promises made before an election mean nothing at the best of times, not least after a global pandemic.

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On 31/08/2020 at 12:48, andyofborg said:

but if they kept it to themselves no one would know  what they had done which would pretty much negate the effect of doing it. 

 

we've been quite spoiled here, we expect a better standard from our trolls. you might be better off on facebook..... 

 

 

Better of perhaps than reading posts from someone who thinks he's an imaginary star trek character.

Just as heads up ..  I don't use social media but if you a right about there being a better class of troll there I might well give it a try.

 

If you print or create  currency to ease a recession and let it be known then you undermine the buying power of the currency you printed and you are back to square one.  Look at the US where excessive quantative easing is driving their economy into the ground.

If no-one knows you have 'created' extra currency then the buying power is not as likely to be undermined and the desired effect is more likely to be attained.

 

I could argue with you all day long about this, but as I prefer not to battle with the undefended, lets just agree to differ.

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