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19 minutes ago, Andy C said:

Everything that exists at the moment is government funded, a new batch of funding comes in to play from June which is increasing most services in terms of both operating hours and frequency, there is a set amount of money though, which limits the provision.

So will it be free to travel? Will fares be going back to the government?

 

The funds should be used to *support* services, not fund them entirely. Although judging on how Stagecoach have treated their staff over the last few months I wouldn’t be at all sad if they disappeared. 

17 minutes ago, Groose said:

Is the Tramlink removal permenant?

Getting on a bus will be interesting, since there are limits on how many can get on a bus.

My understanding is that they’d like this to be permanent. I believe they’re looking at making the bloke who stands at Middlewood redundant, or forcing him to move to a lower paid job on a permanent basis. 
 

There’s a lot more to come. 

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There seems to be no buses between Middlewood and Oughtibridge.

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1 hour ago, Groose said:

The indication seemed to be it was complete history lol. Least Worrall will be happy, they have 57s and 58 from Monday.

the tone suggests that, but I've probably speculated enough as it is!

 

Both Stagecoach and First have now published their new timetables from 1st June, not seen anything from Powells, TM Travel or Hulleys as yet. I believe Supertram  aren't likely to be changing until 6th-8th June when the rail replacement works move area (and light rail funding comes through from government - this is a separate channel to bus).

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46 minutes ago, alexander874 said:

There seems to be no buses between Middlewood and Oughtibridge.

Yup there is nothing on the bottom, just the 57s and 58 up via  Worrall.

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21 hours ago, Hook said:

So will it be free to travel? Will fares be going back to the government?

 

The funds should be used to *support* services, not fund them entirely. Although judging on how Stagecoach have treated their staff over the last few months I wouldn’t be at all sad if they disappeared. 

My understanding is that they’d like this to be permanent. I believe they’re looking at making the bloke who stands at Middlewood redundant, or forcing him to move to a lower paid job on a permanent basis. 
 

There’s a lot more to come. 

Simple fact is that NO public transport is financially viable at the moment with social distancing measures, if the government did not provide support funding there would be no service whatsoever, be that bus, tram or train, and all operators would have gone bankrupt and ceased trading. The cost of operating the service is more than the fares that can be collected from the number of passengers on board even if everyone paid full fare.

 

All the operators are struggling to exist, managing to providing a basic skeleton service thanks to government support towards  those operating costs and having the majority of staff on Furlough.

 

Suspect there will be a network review post Covid, some routes (like Stocksbridge) were struggling before lockdown and there may well be changes in peoples behaviour (how we shop, socialise and work) now that continue and change demand for travel.

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A reminder of information...

 

Stagecoach revised temporary Covid-19 bus timetables from 1st June: https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-updates/serviceupdatesarticle?SituationId=ID-16/03/2020-11:36:24:186

 

First revised temporary Covid-19 bus timetables from 1st June: https://www.firstgroup.com/south-yorkshire/news-and-service-updates/coronavirus-covid19-service-information

 

Supertram new timetable for 6th/7th June only: https://www.stagecoachbus.com/supertram

Note from 6th June the rail replacement work area moves with Blue/Purple trams terminating at Gleadless Townend.

 

No news from Powells, TM Travel or Hulleys as yet.

 

Assume all will appear Sunday night at https://travelsouthyorkshire.com/servicechanges/

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16 minutes ago, Andy C said:

Simple fact is that NO public transport is financially viable at the moment with social distancing measures, if the government did not provide support funding there would be no service whatsoever, be that bus, tram or train, and all operators would have gone bankrupt and ceased trading. The cost of operating the service is more than the fares that can be collected from the number of passengers on board even if everyone paid full fare.

 

All the operators are struggling to exist, managing to providing a basic skeleton service thanks to government support towards  those operating costs and having the majority of staff on Furlough.

 

Suspect there will be a network review post Covid, some routes (like Stocksbridge) were struggling before lockdown and there may well be changes in peoples behaviour (how we shop, socialise and work) now that continue and change demand for travel.

So is the system being fully funded by government (in which case the operators should surely be passing the fares collected back on to the government) or is it being supported by the government?

 

Transport isn’t the only area of the economy which is struggling, but the private firms involved seem to think they’re entitled to special treatment. As you indicated they were struggling prior to this pandemic. 
 

Bring them back into public ownership, at least then some of the revenue which is being subsided will be passed back to the taxpayer rather than shareholders pockets. 

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17 minutes ago, Hook said:

So is the system being fully funded by government (in which case the operators should surely be passing the fares collected back on to the government) or is it being supported by the government?

 

Transport isn’t the only area of the economy which is struggling, but the private firms involved seem to think they’re entitled to special treatment. As you indicated they were struggling prior to this pandemic. 
 

Bring them back into public ownership, at least then some of the revenue which is being subsided will be passed back to the taxpayer rather than shareholders pockets. 

at the moment the government support combined with the tiny amount of fares taken is enough for a skeleton service to be provided and the business to remain just about solvent.

 

You may note Transport for London is a public sector organisation and came within a day of declaring themselves bankrupt and unable to operate, requiring a government bailout, which came with strings attached.

 

Most businesses in all sectors (except for supermarket chains and online retailers like Amazon!) are struggling and are also availing themselves of government support where offered. Some have not had support and there are already some high profile casualties such as the Specialist Leisure Group (owns  Shearings Coaches, National Holidays, Wallace Arnold, Bay Hotels and others).

 

Make no mistake - if the government weren't supporting the current public transport provision there would be none, all the providers would go bust and all the staff would be redundant. In the first stage of lockdown passenger numbers were down at least 90% and now with social distancing each vehicle can only carry very few passengers - a double decker can take around 20, single decker 10-12, minibus 7 - not enough for the fares to cover the cost of running it. Over on the railway a train with 4 coaches can normally seat about 300 passengers plus many more standing - now they can carry  about 45.

 

Not all the industry was struggling before the Pandemic although Sheffield hasn't exactly been very profitable in the last few years, most routes get by though, however some areas were struggling to be financially viable and Stocksbridge has been in that category from what I hear, I couldn't explain why though - maybe the tickets are too cheap or demand is limited to certain areas/times? The early morning, evening and Sunday services were already tendered with the Mon-Sat daytime operated commercially.

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4 hours ago, Andy C said:

A reminder of information...

 

Stagecoach revised temporary Covid-19 bus timetables from 1st June: https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-updates/serviceupdatesarticle?SituationId=ID-16/03/2020-11:36:24:186

 

First revised temporary Covid-19 bus timetables from 1st June: https://www.firstgroup.com/south-yorkshire/news-and-service-updates/coronavirus-covid19-service-information

 

Supertram new timetable for 6th/7th June only: https://www.stagecoachbus.com/supertram

Note from 6th June the rail replacement work area moves with Blue/Purple trams terminating at Gleadless Townend.

 

No news from Powells, TM Travel or Hulleys as yet.

 

Assume all will appear Sunday night at https://travelsouthyorkshire.com/servicechanges/

An update from TM Travel for Monday 1st June are also now online: http://www.tmtravel.co.uk/.

 

As far as I can see the only changes to emergency timetables being made by TM Travel are regarding Bolsover school services!

 

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and now Hulleys of Baslow http://www.hulleys-of-baslow.co.uk/travel-updates

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37 minutes ago, Andy C said:

An update from TM Travel for Monday 1st June are also now online: http://www.tmtravel.co.uk/.

 

As far as I can see the only changes to emergency timetables being made by TM Travel are regarding Bolsover school services!

Strange and sad to note that as yet there are no social distancing measures being introduced by TM travel.......

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9 hours ago, Andy C said:

A reminder of information...

 

Stagecoach revised temporary Covid-19 bus timetables from 1st June: https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-updates/serviceupdatesarticle?SituationId=ID-16/03/2020-11:36:24:186

 

First revised temporary Covid-19 bus timetables from 1st June: https://www.firstgroup.com/south-yorkshire/news-and-service-updates/coronavirus-covid19-service-information

 

Supertram new timetable for 6th/7th June only: https://www.stagecoachbus.com/supertram

Note from 6th June the rail replacement work area moves with Blue/Purple trams terminating at Gleadless Townend.

 

No news from Powells, TM Travel or Hulleys as yet.

 

Assume all will appear Sunday night at https://travelsouthyorkshire.com/servicechanges/

I notice the 97 and 98 say there's a special timetable in place. What is this and how are we supposed to know the changes in this service?

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