Mp's Salary Increase.

[Robin-H 11]

15 minutes ago, Lex Luthor said:

Yes.  The hypocrites reject the increases from independent pay bodies when it comes to thousands of others for years, but are fine with taking increases themselves, when they are on far higher salaries and claim ridiculous expenses to boot!

That's not in their power without a change of the law, and I don't think a law proposing that instead of an independent body pay would be decided by themselves again would go down well... 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23267244

 

Ipsa are adamant that they will pay MPs the rise whether they like it or not. What they do with it after they've received it is a matter for them. 

Edited March 6, 2020 by Robin-H

[apelike 10]

3 hours ago, melthebell said:

Just because others are over paid doesn't mean mps aren't as well

I agree, it's also a fact that most also have second or more other jobs that they can gain a sizeable income from because they are MP's. Being an MP should be full time and the only job allowed.

[Lex Luthor 10]

53 minutes ago, Robin-H said:

That's not in their power without a change of the law, and I don't think a law proposing that instead of an independent body pay would be decided by themselves again would go down well... 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23267244

 

Ipsa are adamant that they will pay MPs the rise whether they like it or not. What they do with it after they've received it is a matter for them. 

It's funny that, isn't it?  MPs have rejected independent pay recommendations for years for hundreds of thousands of ill paid employees, yet they're not allowed to do this for themselves?  Who makes the law? ....ahhh yes...how convenient.

[ECCOnoob 1,016]

Oh goody.  Here we go again same old tired arguments year in year out....

 

Whether we like it or not MPs are entitled to be considered for a percentage salary increase every year just like the rest of the working population.

 

Yes of course they get paid much higher than many other people but their job is far more complex than a lot of people's too.   

 

£82,000 might seem a lot to us northerners but when you think about a London wage and the level of job we are discussing it isn't really that high in the big scheme of things. 

 

There are certainly a significant number of senior-level lawyers, judges, teachers, doctors, technicians, engineers, consultants, accountants, auditors, civil servants and other forms of management roles who are on at least equivalent if not significantly more than that each year.

 

If people actually looked into the work that's an MP has to do and their responsibilities it might not actually seem that much.   Add on the blindingly obvious fact that there is no guarantee of career longevity and the fact that someone's role can disappear ear at the tick of a ballot form every election and it doesn't seem all that does it.

 

Everybody always goes on about the handful of high-profile MPs who yes may have a lot of connections and may find a nice gravy train to to jump on once they leave office but what about the 500 + other MPs who nobody has heard of...

 

Despite what many people think and what many so-called journalist report they don't all come from wealth and privilege and don't all have such luxury to fall back on.

 

As with a lot of things it's all too easy to criticise but who's prepared to actually get out there and do it themselves.  Who is prepared, despite the higher than average pay, to have their entire life personal and professional scrutinised by members of the public and bloodthirsty media.   Prepare to face a daily barrage of verbal, written and in some cases physical attack from those who have a different point of view.  Prepare to deal with the endless travel, meetings, committees, debates, surgeries, interviews, paperwork....   From my limited knowledge of the workings of the House being an MP is not a  switch off the computer at 5 p.m. job.   

 

Sometimes it's about seeing the bigger picture.

[apelike 10]

2 hours ago, ECCOnoob said:

There are certainly a significant number of senior-level lawyers, judges, teachers, doctors, technicians, engineers, consultants, accountants, auditors, civil servants and other forms of management roles who are on at least equivalent if not significantly more than that each year.

 

True but you miss out the one thing that entitles them to that wage and that is qualifications and experience. How many of the above can just enter their profession without any qualifications, training or experience? Almost anyone over 18 who fits the criteria can become an MP (if elected),  no previous qualifications or experience necessary. That is what makes the big difference.

 

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If people actually looked into the work that's an MP has to do and their responsibilities it might not actually seem that much.   Add on the blindingly obvious fact that there is no guarantee of career longevity and the fact that someone's role can disappear ear at the tick of a ballot form every election and it doesn't seem all that does it.

 

And the blindingly obvious fact is they also chose to do that job knowing in advance that it may not last long.

 

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As with a lot of things it's all too easy to criticise but who's prepared to actually get out there and do it themselves.  Who is prepared, despite the higher than average pay, to have their entire life personal and professional scrutinised by members of the public and bloodthirsty media.   Prepare to face a daily barrage of verbal, written and in some cases physical attack from those who have a different point of view.  Prepare to deal with the endless travel, meetings, committees, debates, surgeries, interviews, paperwork....   From my limited knowledge of the workings of the House being an MP is not a  switch off the computer at 5 p.m. job.   

 

Sometimes it's about seeing the bigger picture.

 

And that bigger picture is that the job is not forced on them, those that want to be an MP chose to do so for a number of reasons. 

Edited March 6, 2020 by apelike

[Baron99 772]

2 hours ago, ECCOnoob said:

Oh goody.  Here we go again same old tired arguments year in year out....

 

Whether we like it or not MPs are entitled to be considered for a percentage salary increase every year just like the rest of the working population.

 

Yes of course they get paid much higher than many other people but their job is far more complex than a lot of people's too.   

 

£82,000 might seem a lot to us northerners but when you think about a London wage and the level of job we are discussing it isn't really that high in the big scheme of things. 

 

There are certainly a significant number of senior-level lawyers, judges, teachers, doctors, technicians, engineers, consultants, accountants, auditors, civil servants and other forms of management roles who are on at least equivalent if not significantly more than that each year.

 

If people actually looked into the work that's an MP has to do and their responsibilities it might not actually seem that much.   Add on the blindingly obvious fact that there is no guarantee of career longevity and the fact that someone's role can disappear ear at the tick of a ballot form every election and it doesn't seem all that does it.

 

Everybody always goes on about the handful of high-profile MPs who yes may have a lot of connections and may find a nice gravy train to to jump on once they leave office but what about the 500 + other MPs who nobody has heard of...

 

Despite what many people think and what many so-called journalist report they don't all come from wealth and privilege and don't all have such luxury to fall back on.

 

As with a lot of things it's all too easy to criticise but who's prepared to actually get out there and do it themselves.  Who is prepared, despite the higher than average pay, to have their entire life personal and professional scrutinised by members of the public and bloodthirsty media.   Prepare to face a daily barrage of verbal, written and in some cases physical attack from those who have a different point of view.  Prepare to deal with the endless travel, meetings, committees, debates, surgeries, interviews, paperwork....   From my limited knowledge of the workings of the House being an MP is not a  switch off the computer at 5 p.m. job.   

 

Sometimes it's about seeing the bigger picture.

"Whether we like it or not MPs are entitled to be considered for a percentage salary increase every year just like the rest of the working population." 

 

Of course they are but as public servants, (a phrase they only spout when they're after your vote), why should they have received above inflation pay rises for the past decade when the vast majority of workers have been lucky to get 1% pay rises if they were lucky? 

 

"If people actually looked into the work that's an MP has to do and their responsibilities it might not actually seem that much."

 

What exactly ARE their responsibilities?  Other than paying lip service to the electorate once elected their responsibilities appear only to their Party line.  The prime example of this was that very few were prepared to vote in line with the electorate's wishes on Brexit. 

[Lex Luthor 10]

5 hours ago, ECCOnoob said:

Oh goody.  Here we go again same old tired arguments year in year out....

 

Whether we like it or not MPs are entitled to be considered for a percentage salary increase every year just like the rest of the working population.

 

Yes of course they get paid much higher than many other people but their job is far more complex than a lot of people's too.   

 

£82,000 might seem a lot to us northerners but when you think about a London wage and the level of job we are discussing it isn't really that high in the big scheme of things. 

 

There are certainly a significant number of senior-level lawyers, judges, teachers, doctors, technicians, engineers, consultants, accountants, auditors, civil servants and other forms of management roles who are on at least equivalent if not significantly more than that each year.

 

If people actually looked into the work that's an MP has to do and their responsibilities it might not actually seem that much.   Add on the blindingly obvious fact that there is no guarantee of career longevity and the fact that someone's role can disappear ear at the tick of a ballot form every election and it doesn't seem all that does it.

 

Everybody always goes on about the handful of high-profile MPs who yes may have a lot of connections and may find a nice gravy train to to jump on once they leave office but what about the 500 + other MPs who nobody has heard of...

 

Despite what many people think and what many so-called journalist report they don't all come from wealth and privilege and don't all have such luxury to fall back on.

 

As with a lot of things it's all too easy to criticise but who's prepared to actually get out there and do it themselves.  Who is prepared, despite the higher than average pay, to have their entire life personal and professional scrutinised by members of the public and bloodthirsty media.   Prepare to face a daily barrage of verbal, written and in some cases physical attack from those who have a different point of view.  Prepare to deal with the endless travel, meetings, committees, debates, surgeries, interviews, paperwork....   From my limited knowledge of the workings of the House being an MP is not a  switch off the computer at 5 p.m. job.   

 

Sometimes it's about seeing the bigger picture.

Don't forget all the holidays, much longer ones than schools get, yet we have the regular teacher bashing threads for public employees working far more hours for far less and in far worse conditions.  They don't get ridiculous expenses either.  Teachers don't get dedicated staff either, their families have to support them unpaid.

Edited March 7, 2020 by Lex Luthor

[the_bloke 17]

If you think MPs have it easy, go and be one.

[Padders 2,833]

If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys, that's why the country is in the state it's in  (re-Brexit)..

Pay them all top whack, and get some proper honest people to run the country.

[apelike 10]

3 hours ago, Padders said:

If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys, that's why the country is in the state it's in  (re-Brexit)..

Pay them all top whack, and get some proper honest people to run the country.

As said, anyone over 18 that is allowed to be a candidate can be elected as an MP regardless of qualifications or experience so unless that changes nothing much will change. We already pay them top whack and yet many of those so called honest people fiddled their expenses as well. In what other job can you claim such generous expenses?

Edited March 7, 2020 by apelike

[apelike 10]

3 hours ago, the_bloke said:

If you think MPs have it easy, go and be one.

Many do just that as it's a lifestyle choice that they make. When MPs are sponsored by political parties it means that they have a better chance of being elected than an independent, and that is a big barrier. No one forces anyone to be an MP.

[alchemist 35]

On 06/03/2020 at 07:52, hauxwell said:

I don’t think MPs are overpaid. I remember reading a few years ago Council Executives  and some department heads use to get paid more than MPs, some of their salaries was above a hundred thousand a year.

 

I’m all in favour of cutting back on The House of Lords expenses, there’s to many of them.

So basically what you are saying is that council heads are seriously overpaid??

On 06/03/2020 at 11:46, Robin-H said:

That's not in their power without a change of the law, and I don't think a law proposing that instead of an independent body pay would be decided by themselves again would go down well... 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23267244

 

Ipsa are adamant that they will pay MPs the rise whether they like it or not. What they do with it after they've received it is a matter for them. 

They should let the public decide