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[L00b 441]

12 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

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That's fine - we won't discuss them then.

Your economic standing is?

better than if we'd stayed in the UK.

[Organgrinder 1,946]

10 minutes ago, L00b said:

better than if we'd stayed in the UK.

Good for you

[Gormenghast 59]

38 minutes ago, L00b said:

better than if we'd stayed in the UK.

What benefit did you get from coming to the UK?

[L00b 441]

40 minutes ago, Gormenghast said:

What benefit did you get from coming to the UK?

In financial terms, none whatsoever. 

 

In personal terms, the same as every other immigrant anywhere and at anytime: more opportunities than where I'd been.

 

And until 2016: a country of adoption, of sorts.

Edited October 26, 2020 by L00b

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10 hours ago, Organgrinder said:

Believe what you like  as it's quite obvious that all of you who didn't want to leave, are not going to let it all happen quietly.

I personally, didn't particularly want to be any better off if you mean in a financial way but I wanted to be FREE

The benefits I wanted were - No foreign court making  and enforcing laws on the people and the government of this country.

No foreign countries telling us who we have to let in  and out of our borders including criminals.

Nobody demanding money from us whilst the European gravy train wastes it and cannot even get it's figures through audit.

No foreign country over-fishing our fish stocks.

No massive rises in the European membership fees.

No having to join a European Army.

No more having our shops dictated to regarding how bent bananas are and other stupid regulations.

That's just a few and I'm too late from my bed to sit all night writing a comprehensive list and these few satisfy me anyway.

We don't agree which side is dumb whilst you want to stay under the European yoke.

We managed fine for hundreds of years without being in the European Union and I'm convinced that we will manage the same again.

 

But they’re all lies aren’t they? Do you still believe them to be true?

5 hours ago, Car Boot said:

We must consign the EU's four freedoms (for business) to the dustbin of history. We want rid of the sacrosanct four freedoms, completely and utterly.

 

These false freedoms must go so that we can change the social Balance of the UK towards labour, not Capital as under EU rule. To do this we must make ALL EU law illegal in the UK. The road to a new socialism requires strict controls over the flow of goods, services, money, and labour. Thatcher's Single Market must be rejected and we must rebalance the economy away from Thatcherite services and towards industry and manufacturing.

I can’t think of a single business that would agree with that - and it’s going to make life very expensive for everyone and make Uk business much less competitive (unless we cut huge corners in other places) but I admire your determination. And by determination, I mean you seem determined to turn England (for that will be all that’s left) into North Korea. Well done?

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1 hour ago, tinfoilhat said:

But they’re all lies aren’t they? Do you still believe them to be true?

 

No, they are not all lies - that's just your way of refusing to admit you are wrong.

We were not in the EU when I was a young man in the 50's and 60's, but we had no problems trading then, just as we had none for the previous few hundred years.

How do most of the worlds nations manage when they are not in the EU?

It seems to me that you are frightened of Britain making it's own way in the world in the same way that the majority of nations do.

I have every confidence in Britain being Great Britain again despite some of our weak willed politicians.

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10 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

I have every confidence in Britain being Great Britain again despite some of our weak willed politicians.

Yeah, me too.  We are getting confused with Brittany again.  About time the Great was brought back.

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30 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

No, they are not all lies - that's just your way of refusing to admit you are wrong.

We were not in the EU when I was a young man in the 50's and 60's, but we had no problems trading then, just as we had none for the previous few hundred years.

How do most of the worlds nations manage when they are not in the EU?

It seems to me that you are frightened of Britain making it's own way in the world in the same way that the majority of nations do.

I have every confidence in Britain being Great Britain again despite some of our weak willed politicians.

I think you fail to recognise how the world has changed since your youth.

 

Globalisation has adversely affected our ability to compete in world markets .

We punched above our weight for many years,but the decision to abandon our place within a major trading bloc makes no sense at all.

 

We will not be well placed to impose our preferred trade conditions on our own .

By the way.

You do realise that Great Britain is just a geographical term and does not reference how wonderful we have been.

Edited October 26, 2020 by RJRB

[Organgrinder 1,946]

16 minutes ago, RJRB said:

I think you fail to recognise how the world has changed since your youth.

 

Globalisation has adversely affected our ability to compete in world markets .

We punched above our weight for many years,but the decision to abandon our place within a major trading bloc makes no sense at all.

 

We will not be well placed to impose our preferred trade conditions on our own .

By the way.

You do realise that Great Britain is just a geographical term and does not reference how wonderful we have been.

I do recognise that the world has changed since I was in my younger days but I also recognise that 168 other nations are still making their way in this changed world without a need for being in Europe.

I believe that if someone else can do it, I can do it and my country can do it.

By the way, I also know what Great Britain meant so I don't need a history lesson but I would like to see some of that pride which we once had, restored to this formerly great country

and I don't believe that we need Europe holding our hands to do it.

Remember that we joined Europe as a trading bloc only and it probably would have been fine if it had stayed that way.

Unfortunately, Europe has delusions of grandeur and wanted to assimilate us completely and some of our politicians were stupid enough to go along with that.

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1 hour ago, Organgrinder said:

No, they are not all lies - that's just your way of refusing to admit you are wrong.

We were not in the EU when I was a young man in the 50's and 60's, but we had no problems trading then, just as we had none for the previous few hundred years.

How do most of the worlds nations manage when they are not in the EU?

It seems to me that you are frightened of Britain making it's own way in the world in the same way that the majority of nations do.

I have every confidence in Britain being Great Britain again despite some of our weak willed politicians.

Yes they, the bendy banana thing is the easiest to prove. 

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38 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

Yes they, the bendy banana thing is the easiest to prove. 

Now prove the rest.

[Organgrinder 1,946]

39 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

Yes they, the bendy banana thing is the easiest to prove. 

Is that the best you can do?