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2 hours ago, Tony said:

It is traders and consumer who will lose substantial amounts of trade with the UK who need to prepare for no deal. 

How so? Is the UK going to tarriff imports from the EU27 in 2021 if there's no FTA?

 

That is not the intention conveyed by your government so far.

 

Besides, the UK is still way (way way) short of having the requisite customs processing capacity in place to enforce.

2 hours ago, Tony said:

The effect on the EU27 nations will be reduced tax receipts, an angry business community and farmers burning animal carcasses outside the Elysee Palace. Perhaps consumers will be upset that langoustines are three times the price but they will be able to comfort eat themselves with the Calais Cheese Mountain. 

It's fine, the French will comfort themselves by looking the other way for a short while, and ship you a few more refugees on RIBs and pedaloes ;)

 

I'm not sure how much French beef gets exported to the UK. Not a whole lot, I expect. I mean, relative to Irish beef (e.g.) So I don't expect to see much carcasses burning outside the Elysée. 

 

Unlike the above, it is inevitable (and long advertised) that the EU27 will tarriff UK imports at standard WTO rates in the absence of an FTA. France, Belgium and the Netherlands have the extra customs processing capacity in place already.

 

EU27 tax receipts should either balance out (less UK goods imported, because tarriffed - but extra excise on what still gets imported) or go up (if the EU27 demand sustains).

 

There's little the UK sells, for which EU27 cannot source alternatives. Just ask the Irish, they've shrunk trade with the UK from 16% to 7% in their balance of trade in the last 3 years.

 

Likewise there's little the EU27 sells, for which the UK cannot source alternatives. The difference for the UK is, sourcing cheap US or Argentinian beef kills off British beef farming in fairly short order.  A consequence long advertised and expected, even by Leave economists themselves.

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The two above posts amply demonstrate that basic economics and business is desperately lacking in the school curriculum.  :) 

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I actually thought they were well articulated arguments.

Perhaps you could point out the errors as you are obviously better educated and informed?

 

p.s. I can't wait for my French Beef to come through Eire and then NI to my table...

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On 15/09/2020 at 22:46, Longcol said:

You mean all the stuff we've been importing from the EU, Japan, South Korea etc for donkeys years was substandard?

 

Please evidence (made up stories in the Express don't count) 😎

 

 

That's easy,

"Weaknesses of CE marking for Electrical Goods"

https://www.bsigroup.com/en-GB/blog/Organizational-Resilience-Blog/weaknesses-of-ce-marking-for-electrical-goods/

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1 hour ago, retep said:

It doesn’t say anything much, other than “don’t trust those foreign types” and “Kitemark is ace”

 

No evidence, just some hastily thrown together supposition. Which bit did you think made it worth posting?

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1 minute ago, Pettytom said:

It doesn’t say anything much, other than “don’t trust those foreign types” and “Kitemark is ace”

 

No evidence, just some hastily thrown together supposition. Which bit did you think made it worth posting?

If you want to risk your life you rely on the CE mark the evidence is there in the amount of fires caused by dodgy whitegoods.

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16 minutes ago, retep said:

If you want to risk your life you rely on the CE mark the evidence is there in the amount of fires caused by dodgy whitegoods.

Which bit did you think made it worth posting?

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34 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

Which bit did you think made it worth posting?

Probably the picture of the fake power tool on the floor in flames.

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9 hours ago, Dardandec said:

Probably the picture of the fake power tool on the floor in flames.

Or these fakes,

"Faulty fridges and tumble dryers are among the common household items causing more than 60 fires in UK homes every week."

https://news.sky.com/story/eight-house-fires-a-week-caused-by-faulty-white-goods-11250607#:~:text=Faulty fridges and tumble dryers,in a Hotpoint fridge-freezer.

 

All CE marked. let's hope it gets better with a Kite Mark.

 

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54 minutes ago, retep said:

Or these fakes,

"Faulty fridges and tumble dryers are among the common household items causing more than 60 fires in UK homes every week."

https://news.sky.com/story/eight-house-fires-a-week-caused-by-faulty-white-goods-11250607#:~:text=Faulty fridges and tumble dryers,in a Hotpoint fridge-freezer.

 

All CE marked. let's hope it gets better with a Kite Mark.

 

Why do you think a kite mark is better than a CE mark?

 

What specific improvements will Kite Marking make?

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1 hour ago, Pettytom said:

Why do you think a kite mark is better than a CE mark?

 

What specific improvements will Kite Marking make?

CE mark is the responsibility of the manufacturer.

 

Kite mark is tested by BSI, 

"A Kitemark logo certifies that the quality and safety of the product has been tested by the British Standards Institute, whose initials are contained in the logo. To obtain a Kitemark certification, a vendor must submit the product to the British Standards Institution (BSI) for testing. The vendor pays for the testing, which is repeated at regular intervals to keep the certification."

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40 minutes ago, retep said:

CE mark is the responsibility of the manufacturer.

 

Kite mark is tested by BSI, 

"A Kitemark logo certifies that the quality and safety of the product has been tested by the British Standards Institute, whose initials are contained in the logo. To obtain a Kitemark certification, a vendor must submit the product to the British Standards Institution (BSI) for testing. The vendor pays for the testing, which is repeated at regular intervals to keep the certification."

But CE markings are subject to regulation and enforcement. They can only be used if a product meets relevant criteria.

 

Essentially, there is no difference.

 

 

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