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1 hour ago, L00b said:

It doesn't look like you understand the WA any better than Johnson, Frost and UKIP/ERG/Tory company: the NI protocol is annexed to it, and has no exit or end clause. So no, NI hasn't left the EU I'm afraid.

 

That's why the Internal Market Bill was drafted to allow the governmemt to breach the WA (with Parliament's consent, by the latest amendment...but that doesn't change a thing, pragmatically).

 

The only confusion I'm seeing here, is yours, thinking that since the UK left the EU on paper (WA) last January, that paper can now be binned and you can do as you please. The problem for you is, that paper was a binding contract with surviving clauses (NI protocol applies if FTA not agreed). Ooops. Should have read the small print. 

 

You still have a choice, of course. Honour the contract. Or take your chances against its enforcement. But the US isn't bailing you out if you welsh.

 

Had to LOL at Duncan Smith' tirade at Joe Biden today. We're so far through the Brexit looking glass these days, as to have now reached the "we don't need a US trade deal anyway" stage 😂

All very amusing. There will be a trade agreement between the UK& EU and there will be a trade agreement between the UK&US regardless of whoever is President. Old Man Biden won't have improved his chances of becoming President by showing he is anti British. 

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So apparently we have given the contract to oversee control of our borders to an american company "Palantir"

 

so much for "taking back control" from foreign interferance :rolleyes:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/17/uk-awards-border-contract-to-firm-criticised-over-role-in-us-deportations

 

awesome, lets give all our border data to a foreign power

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1 hour ago, West 77 said:

All very amusing. There will be a trade agreement between the UK& EU and there will be a trade agreement between the UK&US regardless of whoever is President. Old Man Biden won't have improved his chances of becoming President by showing he is anti British. 

 Joe Biden hasn't shown himself to be anti British. What he has shown is that he is not in agreement and doesn't want to deal with countries not honoring contracts that they themselves (supposedly assuming Boris could bothered) helped devise and signed .  If anything he has shown himself to be pro Irish which will definitely have done him more good than bad  as far as the electorate is concerned.

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3 hours ago, West 77 said:

All very amusing. There will be a trade agreement between the UK& EU and there will be a trade agreement between the UK&US regardless of whoever is President. Old Man Biden won't have improved his chances of becoming President by showing he is anti British. 

We might not, you know. If Boris persists with his silly line of attack, we’ll get nothing from the EU, or the US.

 

Mercifully, he’s showing signs of u-turning. Give it a week and he’ll be denying that it ever happened. Or blaming Matt Hancock.

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4 hours ago, West 77 said:

All very amusing. There will be a trade agreement between the UK& EU and there will be a trade agreement between the UK&US regardless of whoever is President. Old Man Biden won't have improved his chances of becoming President by showing he is anti British. 

The US is a garantor of the GFA. So is the EU. The IMB puts the kibosh on the GFA.

 

So there may eventually be an EU-UK deal and a US-UK deal, if Johnson u-turns completely on the IMB (amongst and besides other pending issues; e.g. like the UK confirming its post-WA food etc. standards to the EU if it wants to get 3rd party country status...you know, like *all other* non-EU/EFTA countries had to do, to get that status).

 

Until and unless then, there won't be any deal.

 

tic-toc-tic-toc-tic-toc

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12 hours ago, Pettytom said:

We might not, you know. If Boris persists with his silly line of attack, we’ll get nothing from the EU, or the US.

 

Mercifully, he’s showing signs of u-turning. Give it a week and he’ll be denying that it ever happened. Or blaming Matt Hancock.

We don't get anything from the EU now because they have a massive trade surplus with us. John Caudwell hit the nail on the head last night on Question Time regarding the way and the reasons why the EU have behaved like they have after a member chose to leave their organisation. Boris is doing the right thing by standing up to the EU unlike Theresa May who caved in easily. 

14 hours ago, Joe-b-1 said:

 Joe Biden hasn't shown himself to be anti British. What he has shown is that he is not in agreement and doesn't want to deal with countries not honoring contracts that they themselves (supposedly assuming Boris could bothered) helped devise and signed .  If anything he has shown himself to be pro Irish which will definitely have done him more good than bad  as far as the electorate is concerned.

Biden and the Nancy woman are unhappy with Britain because our government have mainly supported the Trump administration which is the real reason why they are supporting the EU instead of being loyal to their nation's closest ally.  Petty behaviour from a candidate to be US president because the UK have a long history of supporting both Democratic and Republican administrations.

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32 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Biden and the Nancy woman are unhappy with Britain because our government have mainly supported the Trump administration which is the real reason why they are supporting the EU instead of being loyal to their nation's closest ally.

The UK supports the administration in power.  Always has.

 

No one is upset or even remotely surprised about that, except you!

 

Neither Biden or Pelosi are "supporting the EU", merely stating something that should be obvious to anyone with even a modicum of intelligence.

 

32 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Petty behaviour from a candidate to be US president because the UK have a long history of supporting both Democratic and Republican administrations.

Laughable, how far down the rabbit hole do you have to be to believe that? :loopy:

 

Stating that you'll abide by your obligations is now "petty"...

 

LOL, you really have got the Boris bug! :hihi:

 

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Trump envoy warns of risk of Ireland 'border by accident':

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/18/brexit-trump-envoy-warns-of-risk-of-ireland-border-by-accident

"Donald’s Trump special envoy to Northern Ireland has warned of the risk of creating a hard “border by accident” on the island of Ireland"

 

You'll notice that no-one, even team Trump, thinks the UK just ignoring a border on no-deal is a realistic possibility.

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3 hours ago, West 77 said:

We don't get anything from the EU now because they have a massive trade surplus with us.

The UK "hasn't got anything from the EU" because nothing has changed between the UK and the EU yet (so the UK doesn't want for anything) and bevause the negotiations are still ongoing (so what the UK keeps after 31 December isn't known).

 

Ah, the "massive trade surplus" argument is back. It had been a while. Must be why the EU27 is so far ahead of the UK in preparing for no deal ;)

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1 hour ago, L00b said:

The UK "hasn't got anything from the EU" because nothing has changed between the UK and the EU yet (so the UK doesn't want for anything) and bevause the negotiations are still ongoing (so what the UK keeps after 31 December isn't known).

 

Ah, the "massive trade surplus" argument is back. It had been a while. Must be why the EU27 is so far ahead of the UK in preparing for no deal ;)

It is traders and consumer who will lose substantial amounts of trade with the UK who need to prepare for no deal. 

 

The effect on the EU27 nations will be reduced tax receipts, an angry business community and farmers burning animal carcasses outside the Elysee Palace. Perhaps consumers will be upset that langoustines are three times the price but they will be able to comfort eat themselves with the Calais Cheese Mountain. 

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1 hour ago, Tony said:

It is traders and consumer who will lose substantial amounts of trade with the UK who need to prepare for no deal. 

Why, their products won't be any more expensive than everywhere else we don't currently have a deal with, and in many cases, you can't get the same product from elsewhere.

 

In reality, the UK will buy mostly the same products from the EU, but the end consumer will pay more for them :roll:

 

The EU has bilateral agreements with countries such as Russia, USA and China, that the UK will lose on no-deal. Products from those countries become more attractive to EU buyers than UKs, as do EU products for those countries compared to the UK ones.

 

No-deal is a double whammy for the UK far more than it is for any EU member.

 

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The effect on the EU27 nations will be reduced tax receipts, an angry business community and farmers burning animal carcasses outside the Elysee Palace. Perhaps consumers will be upset that langoustines are three times the price but they will be able to comfort eat themselves with the Calais Cheese Mountain. 

Since each individual EU members maximum exposure is around one fifth of that of the UK, what makes you think it won't be far far worse for the UK?

 

If the UK allow cheap imports from elsewhere, it might not have any farmers left before long!

 

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