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Let me make this perfectly clear - any personal attacks will get you a suspension. The moderating team is not going to continually issue warnings. If you cannot remain civil and post within forum rules then do not bother to contribute.

 

In addition to remoaner we are also not going to allow the use of libdums or liebore - if you cannot behave like adults and post without recourse to these childish insults then please refrain from posting. If you have a problem with this then you all know where the helpdesk is. 

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2 hours ago, Pettytom said:

Before you typed that, did you stop to think  about where our current food standards originate?

LOL

 

thats twice youve mentioned things like Read and think

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3 hours ago, retep said:

The UK already has food and animal welfare standards probably beyond what the EU has, perhaps the UK should demand they come up to UK standards, I'm sure most of their products will fail the British Standards kite mark.

And what happens when Boris tries to get a trade deal with the US?

 

It's worth noting that the provisional one we've negotiated with Japan gives them 80% of the benefits - it's easy to get a trade deal when it's so one sided. The US is likely to drive an even harder bargain - especially if Donald "America First" Trump is still in charge.

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4 hours ago, retep said:

The UK already has food and animal welfare standards probably beyond what the EU has, perhaps the UK should demand they come up to UK standards, I'm sure most of their products will fail the British Standards kite mark.

 

 

Probably beyond? You're "sure" most of their products will fail?

 

What are the applicable British Standards for food production?

 

There are UK laws which enshrine parts of the relevant EU regulations into law. Much as there will be across the EU.

 

Where's any evidence that food production standards are generally higher in the UK, as compared to the rest of the EU?

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11 minutes ago, Bargepole23 said:

Probably beyond? You're "sure" most of their products will fail?

 

What are the applicable British Standards for food production?

 

There are UK laws which enshrine parts of the relevant EU regulations into law. Much as there will be across the EU.

 

Where's any evidence that food production standards are generally higher in the UK, as compared to the rest of the EU?

I’d hazard a guess that they are currently identical. Given that we are still in the transition period. 
 

Which makes Peter’s rant all the more amusing.

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4 hours ago, retep said:

The UK already has food and animal welfare standards probably beyond what the EU has, perhaps the UK should demand they come up to UK standards, I'm sure most of their products will fail the British Standards kite mark.

 

 

You mean all the stuff we've been importing from the EU, Japan, South Korea etc for donkeys years was substandard?

 

Please evidence (made up stories in the Express don't count) 😎

 

 

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19 hours ago, Pettytom said:

I’d hazard a guess that they are currently identical. Given that we are still in the transition period. 
 

Which makes Peter’s rant all the more amusing.

I would guess the same. They are in my own professional area. That's why we can CE mark equipment, because they conform to European norms.

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On 15/09/2020 at 13:29, West 77 said:

I've told you several times our elected government believe the EU have not acted in good faith. I don't have to justify supporting our elected government. You're not adding any value to the debate by repeating the same questions after being given answers.

 

I continue to place zero value on all your opinions.
 

And I consider that Mr BoShambles and his government have had no intention of acting in good faith and never have had.

If they decide to break international law then there should be a crime of malfeasance raised against him and the cabinet.

 

They signed the deal - now get on with getting it done.

 

Or should we expect another whiplash U-turn from the lying, cheating, racist, sexist buffoon?

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On 15/09/2020 at 13:29, West 77 said:

I've told you several times our elected government believe the EU have not acted in good faith. I don't have to justify supporting our elected government. You're not adding any value to the debate by repeating the same questions after being given answers.

 

I continue to place zero value on all your opinions.
 

You kind of do, as they were elected on the basis of their manifesto which was to deliver the withdrawal agreement. Otherwise surely any party can get elected on the promise that everyone with be millionaires after they're elected but then say they didn't mean it? 🤷‍♂️

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16 minutes ago, whiteowl said:

You kind of do, as they were elected on the basis of their manifesto which was to deliver the withdrawal agreement. Otherwise surely any party can get elected on the promise that everyone with be millionaires after they're elected but then say they didn't mean it? 🤷‍♂️

B BB B B but they did deliver it.

 

Just cos they are about to welsch on the deal makes no difference. It’s fine to be an international asshole if you are Boris Johnson.

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13 hours ago, Pettytom said:

B BB B B but they did deliver it.

 

Just cos they are about to welsch on the deal makes no difference. It’s fine to be an international asshole if you are Boris Johnson.

On 15/09/2020 at 11:04, Pettytom said:

The claims are being made by a man who has serious issues with the truth. But if you are happy to take the word of a notorious liar, that’s fine.

 

 

Boris got elected by promising to 'Get Brexit done' with an 'ovenready deal.'

He clearly hasn't. And the ovenready deal was a myth. 

Brexit is as big a mess as it ever was.

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14 hours ago, whiteowl said:

You kind of do, as they were elected on the basis of their manifesto which was to deliver the withdrawal agreement. Otherwise surely any party can get elected on the promise that everyone with be millionaires after they're elected but then say they didn't mean it? 🤷‍♂️

They have honoured their manifesto pledge by getting Brexit done and leaving the EU on 31st January under the terms of the amended WA. I'm in my rights to support our elected government's belief that the EU haven't acted in good faith regarding the negotiations of a future free trade agreement. I'm in my rights to support the new domestic legislation which has been brought about because our elected government believe an insurance policy is needed due to the EU not acting in good faith and for the reason they can't be trusted.

 

42 minutes ago, Anna B said:

 

Boris got elected by promising to 'Get Brexit done' with an 'ovenready deal.'

He clearly hasn't. And the ovenready deal was a myth. 

Brexit is as big a mess as it ever was.

You're confusing leaving the EU and negotiating a future free trade agreement with EU. The WA was an ovenready deal because as promised the UK left the EU on 31st January. Brexit has been completed. 

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47 minutes ago, West 77 said:

They have honoured their manifesto pledge by getting Brexit done and leaving the EU on 31st January under the terms of the amended WA. I'm in my rights to support our elected government's belief that the EU haven't acted in good faith regarding the negotiations of a future free trade agreement. I'm in my rights to support the new domestic legislation which has been brought about because our elected government believe an insurance policy is needed due to the EU not acting in good faith and for the reason they can't be trusted.

 

You're confusing leaving the EU and negotiating a future free trade agreement with EU. The WA was an ovenready deal because as promised the UK left the EU on 31st January. Brexit has been completed. 

It doesn't look like you understand the WA any better than Johnson, Frost and UKIP/ERG/Tory company: the NI protocol is annexed to it, and has no exit or end clause. So no, NI hasn't left the EU I'm afraid.

 

That's why the Internal Market Bill was drafted to allow the governmemt to breach the WA (with Parliament's consent, by the latest amendment...but that doesn't change a thing, pragmatically).

 

The only confusion I'm seeing here, is yours, thinking that since the UK left the EU on paper (WA) last January, that paper can now be binned and you can do as you please. The problem for you is, that paper was a binding contract with surviving clauses (NI protocol applies if FTA not agreed). Ooops. Should have read the small print. 

 

You still have a choice, of course. Honour the contract. Or take your chances against its enforcement. But the US isn't bailing you out if you welsh.

 

Had to LOL at Duncan Smith' tirade at Joe Biden today. We're so far through the Brexit looking glass these days, as to have now reached the "we don't need a US trade deal anyway" stage 😂

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