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17 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Whatever.

Such erudition.

17 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Someone else posted two links which backed up my statement regarding Cameron yesterday. 

Did you bother to read them? Because they prove the opposite. Just saying.

17 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Boris did exactly what he said he would do which was to remove the backstop from the WA negotiated by Prime Minister May.  Removing the backstop enabled Boris to bring the ER Group on board.  The electorate supported what Boris achieved by giving him an eighty seat majority in last December's general election. There is little wonder why there are not many leave voters that have the patience to debate here when such nonsense and distortion of the real facts is posted here by remain voters with anti British agendas.

Johnson 'removed the backstop' by giving the NI Assembly a binding vote on the continuing applicability  of EU law in NI.  

 

Now, have you briefed yourself on RoI / NI geopolitics at any time in the last 4 years? I mean, enough to understand the likelihood of the NIA ever voting against that continuity, and thus bringing back a RoI/NI border?

17 minutes ago, West 77 said:

It really is time for remain voters to move on and accept they are in the minority and Brexit has happened.

It really is time for leave voters to quit their political victimhood act, and accept that they won and so have to make Brexit work for all aboard HMS UK.

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6 minutes ago, L00b said:

Did you bother to read them? Because they prove the opposite. Just saying.

Laughable isn't it!

 

When remainers claim leavers had no clue what they were voting for, along comes West77 to prove they still don't! :hihi:

 

Wilful ignorance taken to the extreme, it's really saying something when you actually start believing your own lies! :loopy:

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1 hour ago, Magilla said:

Laughable isn't it!

 

When remainers claim leavers had no clue what they were voting for, along comes West77 to prove they still don't! :hihi:

 

Wilful ignorance taken to the extreme, it's really saying something when you actually start believing your own lies! :loopy:

Just the Dunn Kruger effect in full flow, regretably typical of most people still arguing for a hard-type Brexit, in this day and age, after the <removed> of the last 4 years.

 

Clearly, some of them have yet to transition over to the 'valley of despair' stage 😏

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1 hour ago, L00b said:

Just the Dunn Kruger effect in full flow, regretably typical of most people still arguing for a hard-type Brexit, in this day and age, after the <removed> of the last 4 years.

 

Clearly, some of them have yet to transition over to the 'valley of despair' stage 😏

It’s Dunning-Kruger. ;)

 

Otherwise, I agree :)

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3 hours ago, L00b said:

 

Did you bother to read them? Because they prove the opposite. Just saying.

 

Thats brexit in a nutshell, they ONLY read the headlines, soundbites and titles

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12 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

'Significant gaps' in UK's border plans:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54021421

 

National Audit Office highlights failure to get to grips with scale of challenge:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/04/government-secrecy-hindered-brexit-plans-watchdog-says

"Department for Exiting the European Union (DExEU) did not aid cross-government working"

 

 

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That "oven ready" deal Boris signed, turns out he doesn't like it...

https://www.ft.com/content/9906e0d4-0c29-4f5f-9cb0-130c75a2f7a7

"directly setting up UK law in opposition with obligations under the withdrawal agreement, and in full cognisance that this will breach international law."

 

UK declares to the world that "UK deals are not worth the paper they're printed on"!

 

That will have significant consequences... not least a hard border in NI :loopy:

 

Boris is cornered by reality, trying to look like he's putting up a fight.

 

I don't think it'll work.

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2 minutes ago, Magilla said:

That "oven ready" deal Boris signed, turns out he doesn't like it...

https://www.ft.com/content/9906e0d4-0c29-4f5f-9cb0-130c75a2f7a7

"directly setting up UK law in opposition with obligations under the withdrawal agreement, and in full cognisance that this will breach international law."

 

UK declares to the world that "UK deals are not worth the paper they're printed on"!

 

That will have significant consequences... not least a hard border in NI :loopy:

 

Boris is cornered by reality, trying to look like he's putting up a fight.

 

I don't think it'll work.

Here's the Beeb report for those who can't access the FT version.

 

Trying to go back on deals you've negotiated - that looks so good for a country that's about to try getting trade deals with many countries around the world. Every future trade deal will have a clause saying 'any ambiguity will be in favour of the country that isn't the UK' to stop attempts at this type of shenanigans.

 

Boris is willing to risk the peace in NI to avoid upsetting the rabid brexiters.


With Scottish elections coming up next year, Nicola Sturgeon must be delighted.

 

The latter two points make breakup of the UK that more likely.

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You can read it here, it's been available for at least a month.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/uk-internal-market/uk-internal-market

 

Feel free to point out the parts in it that break the terms in the withdrawal agreement. Especially in the whole 'Northern Ireland' section.

 

I can't read the FT version, but the BBC article provides no specifics. Just excitement and bluster.

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56 minutes ago, the_bloke said:

You can read it here, it's been available for at least a month.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/uk-internal-market/uk-internal-market

 

Feel free to point out the parts in it that break the terms in the withdrawal agreement. Especially in the whole 'Northern Ireland' section.

 

I can't read the FT version, but the BBC article provides no specifics. Just excitement and bluster.

This is a policy paper, not a draft Bill.

 

The BBC article quotes BBC political correspondent Chris Mason about the proposed bill (presumably Mr Mason has previewed it), which would allegedly "attempt to free the UK of an obligation... to check goods crossing from Great Britain to Northern Ireland".

 

We haven't seen that draft bill. But if it has the above effect, then it would be in breach of the WA and NI protocol to same (Johnson's oven-ready deal, lest we forget), which jointly create that obligation upon the UK to check goods crossing from GB to NI. 

 

If that obligation was to be removed by domestic UK law (this draft bill, if eventually voted through), then goods would need to be checked when crossing from NI to the Republic of Ireland. Meaning a hard NI / RoI border.

 

All hypothetical of course, until we get to see that draft bill on Wednesday. But not a good look, all the same.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54051933

 

Rule Brittannia

Brittania waives the rules.

 

If after 4 years we cannot negotiate mutually beneficial trade deals with our nearest ,largest and long established market then I hold no optimism for the brave new world touted by the Brexit camp.

No Deal is bad,but even if its advocates have their way,then they have failed to make the necessary provisions over the last 4 years.

I hope that this governments propensity to handbrake turns is demonstrated again

 

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