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20 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Today marks the second anniversary of our country officially leaving the EU.  The announcement of the Brexit Freedoms Bill is a fitting tribute to the occasion. 

Parliament gave retained EU law a special status for domestic legal certainty.

 

Parliament can already repeal any retained EU law and so, with a working majority of 75 or more, for this government it shouldn’t be difficult to get Parliament to do so.

 

All this BFB does, is try to appropriate still more powers to the government at the expense of Parliament.

 

For a supposed champion of “democracy”, you sure seem to have a weird understanding what “democracy” actually is.

 

In unrelated news (but related, really, when you think about it for a second or two), last week the government axed £1bn from the regional spending planned for Yorkshire in replacement of EU funding. See Yorkshire Post of 27 January.
 

You gave them the votes they needed. See how grateful they are 😏

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Any news on what laws might actually change?

 

In the last two years all they've done is fiddle with alcohol duty and remove a tax on tampons, which makes you wonder what ground-breaking law changes there might actually be there to have??

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1 hour ago, geared said:

Any news on what laws might actually change?

 

In the last two years all they've done is fiddle with alcohol duty and remove a tax on tampons, which makes you wonder what ground-breaking law changes there might actually be there to have??

The rumours say employment and environmental laws, and are insistent.

 

No points for guessing in which way the current Ministers would change those, once free of Parliamentary oversight.

 

I mean, it’s not as if the water quality of rivers has improved in the past few months. Something else *did* improve, however 🙄

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9 minutes ago, West 77 said:

In the last two years the government's priority has been dealing with the pandemic.  Areas like artificial intelligence, data protection and clinical trials for new medicine are likely to have law changes.  The new freedom gives the UK the opportunity to benefit from less bureaucracy which was one of the reasons why the covid vaccine rollout in the EU was so low to start. 

So how come the UK has fallen behind so much with vaccinations?

 

And through which legislative measures does the UK propose to implement “less bureaucracy” for UK importers and exporters?

 

Areas like artificial intelligence, data protection and clinical trials for new medicine are likely to have law changes.

Which changes would you like to see, in those 3 example areas?

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2 minutes ago, West 77 said:

The UK are way ahead of the EU regarding booster jabs. I acknowledge Germany are doing well with booster jabs and even France are doing well.

 

I will leave it to our own government to decide which changes are necessary in those 3 example areas because they have more knowledge than me.  The point is Brexit gives our own government the opportunity to make law changes they believe are needed and not to make law changes that are not needed.  I'm happy our own government now decides and not the EU.

How so and why so?

 

As I already posted (moreover, in reply to your earlier post, duly quoted), Parliament could already do that, and still can do that now, without that “Brexit freedom Bill”.

 

What is the justification for stripping the elected Members of Parliament of their legislative prerogatives, for the benefit of the government, most of which is unelected?

 

Do please consider in your reply, that this new Bill was put together and pushed up by David Frost, who’s never been elected to any office whatsoever.

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3 hours ago, West 77 said:

Today marks the second anniversary of our country officially leaving the EU.  The announcement of the Brexit Freedoms Bill is a fitting tribute to the occasion. 

Great, may be you can list ALL the benefits UK has gained, then.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Mr Fisk said:

Great, may be you can list ALL the benefits UK has gained, then.

 

 

Blue passports? 

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14 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Utter nonsense.  Unelected civil servants have always worked in government. Olly Robbins did the negotiating for the Theresa May Brexit deal.

Are dodging my question because you can’t reply, or because you don’t want to?

14 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Brexit has always been a long term project.  The pandemic has made Brexit an even longer term project meaning the benefits will take longer to be felt.  However, the fast covid vaccine rollout is the biggest benefit so far.  There have been early opportunities for business people to take advantage such as the British cheese industry which is already reaping the benefits. So far the scaremongerers  have been proved wrong.

Utter nonsense.

 

The UK was subject to EU rules 100% during the first phase of the vaccine rollout.

 

Three important facts about those rules.

 

1. EU joint procurement schemes are voluntary. Member states can choose to participate. The UK chose not to.

2. New medicines could be licensed by UK authorities before they are approved by the European Medicines Agency.

3. The UK was 100% in control of the NHS, which runs the vaccine programme.

 

Dr June Raine(Boss, MHRA, 2020): “We’ve been able to authorise supply of this vaccine using provisions under European law which exist until January 1st.”

 

What are those benefits which the British cheese industry are reaping?

 

The loss of EU export markets to the Irish cheese industry, or the Oz competition in South East Asia?

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, West 77 said:

We all know if the UK had voted to remain in the EU that the UK would have become closer in line with the EU and the UK would have been part of the slow EU vaccine rollout project instead of being the fastest country in the World to start a covid vaccine rollout.  One of the biggest problems of being in the EU was that past UK governments wrongly blamed the EU as an excuse for not carrying out policies and interventions when they should have and could have.

No, we don’t actually know that, because the UK did *not* vote remain.

 

On the topic of trading benefits, let’s not kid ourselves that there ever was any economic rationale to Brexit. Because any pro-remain economic argument based on fact and evidence was consistently and irremediably met with faith-based emotional appeals to ‘sovereignty’, or outright denial (‘Project Fear’), and frequently enough a mix of both.

 

Your closing point is astute, but that problem was arguably not “of being in the EU”, it was -and still is- a problem with British (English, really) domestic politics. Which conveniently brings us back to the topic du jour, Johnson’s “Brexit Freedom Bill”: what is the point of it, beside grabbing legislative power from your legislation-making institution, “the Mother of all Parliaments”, for the benefit of Johnson’s cabal of autocrats?

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30 minutes ago, West 77 said:

There have been early opportunities for business people to take advantage such as the British cheese industry which is already reaping the benefits.

I’m still waiting for you to explain how swapping the 300 million strong European consumer market for the significantly smaller 60 million consumer market of the UK is of benefit to anybody, let alone cheesemakers ?

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20 minutes ago, West 77 said:

If the EU had remained an organisation for the sole purpose of promoting trade between member nations then there would never have been any desire to leave. However, the EU became a political union and we have our own past governments both Tory and Labour to blame for not using the veto to prevent the EU turning it into the monster it is today.  I will add global trade has never been easier to organise thanks mainly to the internet meaning UK business now has a consumer market of 8 billion to trade with.

UK businesses always had a consumer market of ‘8 billions’.

 

What UK business have gained with Brexit, is the tariff and non-tariff trading barriers which their EU membership had previously removed (with EU27 countries, the EEA 4 and third countries with which the EU has CU and FTAs).

 

From July 1st, and unless things start to change (-rapidly so), the UK will be more-or-less equivalent to Belarus in terms of customs regulatory requirements for UK/EU27/Rest of the World* trading.
 

Maybe take a look at that border before then (it’s not as if some of us did not previously draw attention to it, whenever a ‘hard Brexit’ (or no deal) was discussed in years gone by).

 

*minus Japan and Australia, in the context of the specific goods to which these FTA relate.

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7 minutes ago, West 77 said:

My point is it's never been easier for UK business to have access to a consumer market of 8 billion. Nowadays spotty schoolchildren can run global businesses from their bedrooms which wouldn't have been possible before the days of the internet.  The truth is if the UK had left the EU 25 years again then it would have been more difficult for UK business to trade outside the EU.  UK business still has access to the 300 million strong consumer market The Joker mentioned.  Badly run businesses will complain about increase paperwork while good businesses will get along with adapting and look for new opportunities. To be fair I do think some people from the leave campaign did over egg the benefits of the UK being free to negotiate our own trade deals.  However, the remain dominated parliament did have an opportunity of supporting Kenneth Clark's amendment for the UK to remain in the customs union after leaving the EU but this was narrowly defeated. The truth is the remain dominated parliament during Theresa May's time as Prime Minister were only interested in stopping Brexit all together which is why forever in history they will be known as the rogue parliament for trying to prevent the democratic choice the British people made from happening.

The only thing rogue in parliament at that time were the Tory governments who twice got slapped down by the supreme court for trying to bypass the sovereignty of parliament.

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