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2 hours ago, melthebell said:

Give over, lorry drivers were some of the unsung heroes of the pandemic, they worked all through it, why is it, suddenly as soon as restrictions are lifted, the need to isolate when pinged, most people are vaccinated they all disappear?

And dont give me that guff about underpaid, hard job, less tests, they were fine pre brexit

They really weren't, there are plenty of articles knocking about showing a shortage of drivers. Average age is quite high, not enough new blood coming in, a problem exacerbated by covid. The gap was plugged by EU drivers and we sent them back. 

 

Not just a brexit problem but its made a bad situation alot worse.

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20 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

They really weren't, there are plenty of articles knocking about showing a shortage of drivers. Average age is quite high, not enough new blood coming in, a problem exacerbated by covid. The gap was plugged by EU drivers and we sent them back. 

 

Not just a brexit problem but its made a bad situation alot worse.

the main point was Brexit, we sent back the ones we needed, then we ended up with a massive shortfall, the main bit was before covid

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28 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

They really weren't, there are plenty of articles knocking about showing a shortage of drivers. Average age is quite high, not enough new blood coming in, a problem exacerbated by covid. The gap was plugged by EU drivers and we sent them back. 

 

Not just a brexit problem but its made a bad situation alot worse.

Us oldies dont need another test for the large vans etc and then from the large vans people move up to HGV

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49 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

The gap was plugged by EU drivers and we sent them back.

An estimated 19.000 according to news reports, but its nothing to do with Brexit apparently. That old chestnut, wearing a bit thin now you leavers, you need to quit it.

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1 hour ago, El Cid said:

Us oldies dont need another test for the large vans etc and then from the large vans people move up to HGV

The difference between putting a large van on a loading bay and 40ft artic is really very big. 

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10 hours ago, Dardandec said:

An estimated 19.000 according to news reports, but its nothing to do with Brexit apparently. That old chestnut, wearing a bit thin now you leavers, you need to quit it.

Let's examine that @Dardandec. Oh, let's not waste time though because while the UK apparently needs 100k drivers, Poland is short of 124k drivers. Wherever those who were working in the UK have gone, it's certainly not back to Poland.

 

 

9 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

The difference between putting a large van on a loading bay and 40ft artic is really very big. 

It's a well made point @tinfoilhat.  Skilled Polish truck drivers are like Lithuanian plumbers, Nigerian doctors, Romanian fruit pickers, Philippino nurses and Bangladeshi chambermaids. They all have skills that the UK needs every day of every year.

 

Shortages are not caused by Brexit. The cause is a systematic failure to invest in training, pay, conditions and even prestige that all these jobs should carry.

 

Brexit has exposed the filthy underbelly of that failure of First World nations to invest in young people and business because it is easier to ship in workers from Second and Third World nations, pay them in buttons and treat them like crap while denying their home countries of much needed and expensively acquired skills.

 

Personally, I couldn't give a stuff if somebody has to go next door to buy vegetables because their preferred supermarket had two instead of three trucks that day. Go play your tiny violins somewhere else. It stinks. It's the height of decadence and I really hope it's over and that we start realising that the UK needs to invest in our youngsters as well as those who's working lives are disrupted by changes in technology and society. 

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15 minutes ago, Tony said:

Let's examine that @Dardandec. Oh, let's not waste time though because while the UK apparently needs 100k drivers, Poland is short of 124k drivers. Wherever those who were working in the UK have gone, it's certainly not back to Poland.

 

 

It's a well made point @tinfoilhat.  Skilled Polish truck drivers are like Lithuanian plumbers, Nigerian doctors, Romanian fruit pickers, Philippino nurses and Bangladeshi chambermaids. They all have skills that the UK needs every day of every year.

 

Shortages are not caused by Brexit. The cause is a systematic failure to invest in training, pay, conditions and even prestige that all these jobs should carry.

 

Brexit has exposed the filthy underbelly of that failure of First World nations to invest in young people and business because it is easier to ship in workers from Second and Third World nations, pay them in buttons and treat them like crap while denying their home countries of much needed and expensively acquired skills.

 

Personally, I couldn't give a stuff if somebody has to go next door to buy vegetables because their preferred supermarket had two instead of three trucks that day. Go play your tiny violins somewhere else. It stinks. It's the height of decadence and I really hope it's over and that we start realising that the UK needs to invest in our youngsters as well as those who's working lives are disrupted by changes in technology and society. 

Classic case of denial.Brexit is a disaster no doubt you believe the ' evil' EU going to collapse at any minute the only union that is going to collapse is the one called United Kingdom the pressure cooker is full on. Yes I agree we should help our own but we have an aging population we need to look at facts not wishful thinking. 

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All this foreign lorry driver appreciation is rather amusing.  Up in to a few weeks ago I never heard anyone say a good word about any foreign lorry drivers.  All you heard were people complaining about their alleged driving skills and accident near misses.  Their speciality of course is ignoring  signs to avoid low bridges.  And of course the eastern European's party trick is to have a bottle of vodka in one hand and a mobile phone in the other hand while behind the wheel.

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27 minutes ago, West 77 said:

All this foreign lorry driver appreciation is rather amusing.  Up in to a few weeks ago I never heard anyone say a good word about any foreign lorry drivers.  All you heard were people complaining about their alleged driving skills and accident near misses.  Their speciality of course is ignoring  signs to avoid low bridges.  And of course the eastern European's party trick is to have a bottle of vodka in one hand and a mobile phone in the other hand while behind the wheel.

I think you hang around with alot racists tbqhwy.

1 hour ago, Tony said:

Let's examine that @Dardandec. Oh, let's not waste time though because while the UK apparently needs 100k drivers, Poland is short of 124k drivers. Wherever those who were working in the UK have gone, it's certainly not back to Poland.

 

 

It's a well made point @tinfoilhat.  Skilled Polish truck drivers are like Lithuanian plumbers, Nigerian doctors, Romanian fruit pickers, Philippino nurses and Bangladeshi chambermaids. They all have skills that the UK needs every day of every year.

 

Shortages are not caused by Brexit. The cause is a systematic failure to invest in training, pay, conditions and even prestige that all these jobs should carry.

 

Brexit has exposed the filthy underbelly of that failure of First World nations to invest in young people and business because it is easier to ship in workers from Second and Third World nations, pay them in buttons and treat them like crap while denying their home countries of much needed and expensively acquired skills.

 

Personally, I couldn't give a stuff if somebody has to go next door to buy vegetables because their preferred supermarket had two instead of three trucks that day. Go play your tiny violins somewhere else. It stinks. It's the height of decadence and I really hope it's over and that we start realising that the UK needs to invest in our youngsters as well as those who's working lives are disrupted by changes in technology and society. 

But we are now putting forward plans to train drivers but won't include reversing in the test. That's going to be fun.

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5 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

I think you hang around with alot racists tbqhwy.

But we are now putting forward plans to train drivers but won't include reversing in the test. That's going to be fun.

They won't be able to drive anywhere because we are about to run out of fuel. Stories of panic buying and huge queues all over the country this morning.

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10 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

But we are now putting forward plans to train drivers but won't include reversing in the test. That's going to be fun.

Yea, I thought that was a bit barmy too. So barmy that it didn't sound credible and I checked and found out that it's not true. I hear that Polish HGV drivers haven't passed a HGV test, preferring to rely on their tractor driving test instead.

 

None of this is really very helpful when there's a worldwide shortage of truck drivers. It's the height of Little Britain thinking to believe that the UK deserves HGV drivers any more than anywhere else.

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