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If only they would all WORK TOGETHER. But they never have, and never will. There is a top two in the EU (sounds like the Premier League!) and they have their own agendas. If by working together they finish up as the top two, then that's fine. Any other outcome is unacceptable. Their domestic agenda - especially in France - is paramount. The next round of their elections is uppermost. 

 

We await the German elections, as they could be pivotal. Having expanded the EU to 28, now 27 nations it is impossible for them all to be happy all the time, having to dance to the Franco-German band.. Hence "eurodisobedience" growing Hungary and Poland, who are giving Brussels the finger. 

 

Yes, the UK needs a stable and prosperous EU, but I fear that within a decade it will collapse under its own weight. No doubt the French will blame us.......

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42 minutes ago, Cyclecar said:

If only they would all WORK TOGETHER. But they never have, and never will. There is a top two in the EU (sounds like the Premier League!) and they have their own agendas. If by working together they finish up as the top two, then that's fine. Any other outcome is unacceptable. Their domestic agenda - especially in France - is paramount. The next round of their elections is uppermost. 

 

We await the German elections, as they could be pivotal. Having expanded the EU to 28, now 27 nations it is impossible for them all to be happy all the time, having to dance to the Franco-German band.. Hence "eurodisobedience" growing Hungary and Poland, who are giving Brussels the finger. 

 

Yes, the UK needs a stable and prosperous EU, but I fear that within a decade it will collapse under its own weight. No doubt the French will blame us.......

What makes me chuckle about Brexit we left the EU only for us wanting to join another union of sorts the Pacific nations one perhaps this could be the new British Empire but on the cheap  plus more flags to put behind Johnson well he is into flags after all.

 

With regards to the  EU's future  I think it will change in time perhaps becoming more a transparent economic union but let's be fair it's stop us getting the tanks out and playing soldiers who wants war over some stupid trade disagreement? Poland and Hungary despite the finger treatment they need the money there is no Soviet Union to prop them up now though Putin might help them at a price of course. 

 

The UK does need a Custom Union even if it's a bespoke one to  ease trade barriers or go back into the Single market but the Brexiteers would rather watch prices go up and trade barriers go up than let that happen.

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1 hour ago, Cyclecar said:

Yes, the UK needs a stable and prosperous EU, but I fear that within a decade it will collapse under its own weight. No doubt the French will blame us.......

Who would be to blame for destablising the EU?

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1 hour ago, Cyclecar said:

If only they would all WORK TOGETHER. But they never have, and never will. There is a top two in the EU (sounds like the Premier League!) and they have their own agendas. If by working together they finish up as the top two, then that's fine. Any other outcome is unacceptable. Their domestic agenda - especially in France - is paramount. The next round of their elections is uppermost. 

 

We await the German elections, as they could be pivotal. Having expanded the EU to 28, now 27 nations it is impossible for them all to be happy all the time, having to dance to the Franco-German band.. Hence "eurodisobedience" growing Hungary and Poland, who are giving Brussels the finger. 

 

Yes, the UK needs a stable and prosperous EU, but I fear that within a decade it will collapse under its own weight. No doubt the French will blame us.......

 

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Your post is just a load of wishfull thinking, I should really say a load of rubbish.  I suggest you look on the EU website and try and understand what the EU is all about. If you get your information from the english press or even the BBC you are being misinformed.

 

What happens in the general elections of Germany and France is an internal affair of each country, they are both independant nations..

 

What I can tell you is that if the French population had a President of the caliber of Boris Johnson he would have been laid to rest a long time ago.  One of the french speciallities  is that since the french revolution they don't take any crap from the ruling classes.

 

What I hope to see is how wel or badly brexit is going. And not by story telling, but facts.

 

For example I read an article today on the import and export figures of the EU to the UK for the first six months, figures available on the EU websites. Import from the UK down  by 17 procent and  Exports up by six procent. And now you can draw your own conclusion if it is good or bad.  And there are many more statistics that come out that you can compare and then make your mind up wheather it is good or bad.

 

It is better to form an opinion on this basis than the neverending pointing of fingers and one liners which you might have heard on your train journey or watching Mr Brexit on GB News.

 

And as I got up this morning the EU seems to be still stable and we should be able to get to the end of the week without any problems and then we will look what next week brings.

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The pandemic has bought the EU several more years.  If the pandemic hadn't happened I doubt the EU would have made it into 2030's in its current form.  The pandemic came too late to delay Brexit any further.  I've no doubt if the pandemic had arrived a year earlier before Boris was Prime Minister the UK would still have not left the EU.

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3 hours ago, West 77 said:

The pandemic has bought the EU several more years.  If the pandemic hadn't happened I doubt the EU would have made it into 2030's in its current form.  The pandemic came too late to delay Brexit any further.  I've no doubt if the pandemic had arrived a year earlier before Boris was Prime Minister the UK would still have not left the EU.

The pandemic did stop our freedom of movement but I don't think it has any effect on the EU,s Shelf life.

And you are correct in saying that by the time it is 2030 that changes will have taken place in the EU. There have always been changes since the beginning.  

 

Talking in hindsight whether you would have left or not is a waste of time. The one good news for brexiteers is that according to the figures of your ONS  1.2 million  and  the figure could be as high as 2 to 2.5, million EU. citicens returned home and did not return. Now that is exactly what a lot of brexiteers voted for, so that must be a plus.

 

Now what confuses me a little is that you have a booming economy with a record number of vancancies, while you have lost a big part of your active workforce. Our economy is getting back to 2019 levels but we are not there yet. There are stil parts of our economy that are sufferring.

 

I am a bit disappointed in your post. I thought we were getting somewhere. You told me in your posting with me that the reason you wanted to leave the EU was because it was becoming to political.  Now I can,t argue with that,  There is a lot of politics involved.

 

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1 hour ago, Frans2755 said:

The pandemic did stop our freedom of movement but I don't think it has any effect on the EU,s Shelf life.

And you are correct in saying that by the time it is 2030 that changes will have taken place in the EU. There have always been changes since the beginning.  

 

Talking in hindsight whether you would have left or not is a waste of time. The one good news for brexiteers is that according to the figures of your ONS  1.2 million  and  the figure could be as high as 2 to 2.5, million EU. citicens returned home and did not return. Now that is exactly what a lot of brexiteers voted for, so that must be a plus.

 

Now what confuses me a little is that you have a booming economy with a record number of vancancies, while you have lost a big part of your active workforce. Our economy is getting back to 2019 levels but we are not there yet. There are stil parts of our economy that are sufferring.

 

I am a bit disappointed in your post. I thought we were getting somewhere. You told me in your posting with me that the reason you wanted to leave the EU was because it was becoming to political.  Now I can,t argue with that,  There is a lot of politics involved.

 

You shouldn't be disappointed by my post because we both more or less are  in agreement on most of the issues.  I'm not disappointed by your post and judge to to be the most sensible pro EU contributor.

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2 hours ago, Frans2755 said:

Now what confuses me a little is that you have a booming economy with a record number of vancancies, while you have lost a big part of your active workforce. Our economy is getting back to 2019 levels but we are not there yet. There are stil parts of our economy that are sufferring.

 

We do not have a booming economy nor does the EU. Last quarter's GDP was down something like 4% on the equivalent quarter of 2019. In normal times (no pandemic, no Brexit) we might have expected it to be 4 or 5% higher than the equivalent quarter of 2019 so we are 8 or 9% below trend. The EU is doing a little better but not great. There should be some bounce back which the media will describe as growth but we are poorer as a group than we would be in normal times. I have no idea how to split the economic impact on the UK between Brexit and the pandemic.

 

I am getting my data from Trading Economics ( https://tradingeconomics.com ).

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@Carbuncle only this morning, the BBC was reporting that the UK economy will be back to pre-pandemic levels. I missed whose stats they were using but it was probably the ONS or OECD. They also noted that the previous OBR predictions were wrong. 

 

There is absolutely no point trying to attribute numbers to either Brexit or the Pandemic or even normal cycles, it is all guesswork used by individuals to bolster their own arguments, entrenched positions and usually their ego. It has been said many times that Brexit is a process, not an event. People should grow up and stop trying to make direct attributions of Brexit to minor economic shifts, especially right now. 

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2 hours ago, Tony said:

@Carbuncle only this morning, the BBC was reporting that the UK economy will be back to pre-pandemic levels. I missed whose stats they were using but it was probably the ONS or OECD. They also noted that the previous OBR predictions were wrong. 

 

There is absolutely no point trying to attribute numbers to either Brexit or the Pandemic or even normal cycles, it is all guesswork used by individuals to bolster their own arguments, entrenched positions and usually their ego. It has been said many times that Brexit is a process, not an event. People should grow up and stop trying to make direct attributions of Brexit to minor economic shifts, especially right now. 

I agree that it is not completely clear but you are kidding yourself if you dont see there is some serious damage being done.

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1 hour ago, Tony said:

@Carbuncle only this morning, the BBC was reporting that the UK economy will be back to pre-pandemic levels. I missed whose stats they were using but it was probably the ONS or OECD. They also noted that the previous OBR predictions were wrong. 

 

There is absolutely no point trying to attribute numbers to either Brexit or the Pandemic or even normal cycles, it is all guesswork used by individuals to bolster their own arguments, entrenched positions and usually their ego. It has been said many times that Brexit is a process, not an event. People should grow up and stop trying to make direct attributions of Brexit to minor economic shifts, especially right now. 

It’s becoming worryingly clear that brexit has created a myriad of problems for us.

 

defence

security 

food

energy

 

and were only just starting.

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