Consequences Of Brexit [Part 9] Read First Post Before Posting

[L00b 441]

19 hours ago, The Joker said:

Brexit has made it easier for small boat crossings to reach UK, refugees say

 

Refugees living in northern France say Brexit has made it easier for them to reach the UK in small boats

 

Refugees told the Guardian they believed the fact the UK was no longer part of the EU made it more appealing to risk the dangerous crossings because they could no longer be sent back to other European countries under EU legislation.

 

Previously, when the UK was part of the EU, under a mechanism known as Dublin the UK could ask other EU countries to take back people they could prove had passed through safe European countries before reaching the UK.

 

The UK could make “take charge” requests and officials were often able to prove that asylum seekers had passed through other countries thanks to the Eurodac fingerprint database. But since Brexit the UK no longer has access to that database, so it is harder to prove definitively which other European countries small boat arrivals to the UK have previously passed through.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/nov/12/brexit-easier-small-boat-crossings-to-reach-uk-refugees-say

 

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Wholly predictable consequence of Brexit.

 

Oh, and duly predicted, of course:

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(...) Ditch the EU = ditch the Dublin Regs = ditch the "claim in 1st country of EU arrival" policy under which the UK is currently entitled to automatically (at least time, costs, resources) ship back illegals that made it to the UK through the EU back to France and elsewhere, rather than having to process their claim.

 The end of the world is nigh. - Page 13 - General Discussions - Sheffield Forum (2016)

 

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(...) For the rest of it, you've got about 80 days left to ship'em back out under the (EU) Dublin Regulations. These cease to apply to the UK on 30 March 2019. Meaning you won't be able to easily ship them back across the Channel, you'll have to charter them back to Iran (when their asylum claim inevitably fails, under Sajid's HO tenure).

 A new influx of boat people from france. - Page 8 - General Discussions - Sheffield Forum (2018)

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[melthebell 863]

30 minutes ago, L00b said:

Wholly predictable consequence of Brexit.

 

Oh, and duly predicted, of course:

 The end of the world is nigh. - Page 13 - General Discussions - Sheffield Forum (2016)

 

 A new influx of boat people from france. - Page 8 - General Discussions - Sheffield Forum (2018)

yup lol, as usual it was a very simplistic brex**** idea, if we arent part of the EU, freedom of movement doesnt count

 

BUT

 

illegal immigration will carry on, they can still get to the french coast, and as you say not being part of the EU, means we cant just ship them back to EU countries, theres more red tape involved.

[Mister Gee 823]

 The late 2010’s in the UK will be looked back at as the era when a country went insane.

[melthebell 863]

1 minute ago, West 77 said:

We didn't just ship them back to EU countries when we were a member of the EU. It's well documented that the Dublin agreement is useless.  The truth is that the EU are responsible for the economic migrants making their way to the French coast because of the Schengen agreement.

but current realities dont make it any better, in fact theres far more red tape in the way, youre fooling yourself

[melthebell 863]

4 minutes ago, West 77 said:

You're the one whose fooling yourself.  The only thing that has changed since the EU referendum vote is that the criminal gangs have discovered it's a piece of cake for economic migrants to cross the English Channel in inflatable boats.

no they havent, they were doing it before, as i said your fooling yourself that Brex**** would help, it hasnt and never will, illegals will ALWAYS get in. As ive said at the time, all it was was cutting off our nose to spite our face, nothing more, nothing less

[Mister M 1,625]

14 minutes ago, West 77 said:

There were no reported migrants making their way to England before the EU referendum vote in inflatable boats.  It only started in the last few years.  The criminal gangs copied what was happening in other parts of the World .  You're an embarrassing Remainer loser.

Wrong:

Refugees rescued trying to get to UK in inflatable dinghy (thelocal.fr) - from 1/04/2016. 

The Brexit referendum was in 06/2016

Also if there were no migrants crossing in dinghies before the Brexit vote, why then did the 2010 Evian Summit see the UK and France agree the creation of a Joint Intelligence Unit in Folkestone dedicated to stopping illegal immigration networks and a Joint Operational Coordination Centre bringing together the UK Border Agency and French Border Police and Customs to coordinate action?

Edited November 13, 2021 by Mister M

[melthebell 863]

34 minutes ago, West 77 said:

There were no reported migrants making their way to England before the EU referendum vote in inflatable boats.  It only started in the last few years.  The criminal gangs copied what was happening in other parts of the World .  You're an embarrassing Remainer loser.

weve long had illegals stowing away in lorries and in the wheel wells of planes, 

 

also to prove your talking crap

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/commentaries/qa-migrants-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/

 

How long has this been happening?

Reports of migrants attempting to enter the UK clandestinely by crossing the Channel go back at least twenty years. In the late 1990s, people began moving to Calais to try to reach the UK, and migrants camps began to form. In response, the French Red Cross built the Sangatte refugee camp near Calais in 1999. The camp was closed in 2002, but some migrants remained there, with the area continuing to attract migrants planning to reach the UK.

The problem rose to prominence again in 2014. At that time, the focus was on people attempting to enter the UK without authorisation by stowing away on ships, such as passenger ferries, and on trucks, cars, and trains passing through the Channel Tunnel. In early 2015, another encampment began to form in Calais, which came to be known as the ‘Calais Jungle’. In October 2016, the Jungle was cleared, when it was estimated to be home to seven thousand migrants.

Since 2014, the UK has strengthened its security at the French–UK border, and has implemented immigration controls at ports in Belgium, France, and the Netherlands. Yet despite the closure of Sangatte and the clearance of the Calais Jungle to prevent stowaways, crossings continue in small boats, which have been recorded regularly since late 2018.

Edited November 13, 2021 by melthebell

[RJRB 688]

6 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Thank you for supporting the fact that migrants crossing the channel in inflatable boats has only been happening for a few years and has nothing at all to do with Brexit.

 

 

 

Well done for making a truthful contribution.

It would appear that Brexit is having nothing to do with controlling our borders or enabling the expulsion of illegal immigrants either.

[Mister M 1,625]

9 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Thank you for supporting the fact that migrants crossing the channel in inflatable boats has only been happening for a few years and has nothing at all to do with Brexit.

 

 

 

Well done for making a truthful contribution.

Migrants themselves have said that  Brexit has made it more attractive for them to reach the UK in small boats. Straight from the horses mouth. Nobody, apart from yourself said that there were "There were no reported migrants making their way to England before the EU referendum vote in inflatable boats.  It only started in the last few years." 

All I did was provide evidence to show that you are wrong

 

Edited November 13, 2021 by Mister M

[harvey19 541]

For a long time there has been talk about this problem but no action.

The phrase "Where there is a Will there is a Way" springs to mind and the conclusion that there is no will.

 

Edited November 14, 2021 by harvey19

[Tony 10]

Notably France isn't implementing the Dublin Agreement by moving migrants back to the country of origin, say to Greece, Italy or Spain. They are migrating from France, not from, say, Eritrea Sudan, Iran.

 

Truth is that not being party to the Dublin Agreement also makes it much easier for the UK to move migrants for offshore processing, say to Rwanda. The journey is much harder for trafficking gangs to sell to the poor saps who fall victim, when migrants end nearer to where they started than the place they wanted to be, or on the other side of the world if the Papua New Guinea were employed. 

 

But no you lot crack on, it's Brexit, not a line of Home Secretaries who have been unable to fully get to grips with the problem. 

 

 

Anyway, that's all from me. I just thought I'd pop in to see if the Continuity Remain Hive Mind was as feverish as ever and I wasn't disappointed.  

[RJRB 688]

4 hours ago, West 77 said:

The economic migrants might have been told by the criminal gangs that they pay huge sums of money to that Brexit has made the UK a more attractive destination.  The truth is the problem is that the UK signed up to the refugee treaty in the 1950's which mean these economic migrants are treated as refugees when they enter UK waters.  These economic migrants are not refugees and are criminals and not the sort which will benefit our country.

Your concern for fellow members of the human race tugs at my heart strings.

 

8 minutes ago, Tony said:

 

 

 

Anyway, that's all from me. I just thought I'd pop in to see if the Continuity Remain Hive Mind was as feverish as ever and I wasn't disappointed.  

Keep checking in.

We will still be here to monitor the good and bad aspects of the deal reached last year.

Your positive contributions would be good .